to say women don't have XY chromosomes?

[taylorswift1989]

Seeing a lot of posts on social media with people admitting they were "wrong" to call Imane Khelif a man, and that they now understand "she's a woman with XY chromosomes."

Am I going insane? A person with XY chromosomes is male! (Regardless of how they identify, of course.) Why are people saying stuff that is obviously nonsensical? Are people really that ignorant of basic biological facts?

They are if they have a Y chromosome.

Or where an individual is so sick of talking about this shit they reach the end-o-sex and choose celibacy instead.

He should do,if he's got nothing to hide.

I don't think she can be defined as a male.

So they are six years old or …….?

You don't know that because you're not a professional and it hasn't been tested.

So let's do the test. Very simple.

Give it up. Men are physically stronger than women. That's why there's an epidemic of violence against women and girls perpetuated in the main by men. Get over it.

Nike will be giving him a huge contract for being a female Olympian. Brands will line up to promote their diversity.

Good point. And remind me again about how much women’s sport sponsorship and commercial contracts are worth compared to men’s? Something like 3%.

But that’s ok because I’m sure there’s room for us to eek it out a bit further.

I understand that and agree to a point however there's a line though and one that's been crossed many times in recent history where we are presented with obvious men then told off for discriminating against masculine women.

I've met a lot of masculine presenting women in my life but never one I mistook for a man for more than half a second.

How far does this line of argument have to go? If Manny Pacquiao grew his hair out and the IOC told us he was a woman do we have to back down because it's 'offensive' to masculine women?

Is this boxer now a role model for Muslim women?

We've never seen him in a hijab or dressed modestly. He says Allah helped him win. Are Muslim leaders around the world celebrating this Muslim woman?

Tell me how that is going.

But the ONLY way that a human could develop high levels of testosterone etc etc is the presence of a Y chromosome.

Without the Y there is a female.
With the Y there is a male.

However under or over developed the genitalia are, it comes down to Xor Y.

Always.

*There's a reasonable discussion to be had about policy for sports. None of that reasonable policy discussion involves calling her by the wrong pronouns or calling her a man. Try to remember that these are actual human beings. I don't understand how anyone can not feel compassion for someone like Caster Semenya finding out at 18 in front of the whole world that she has a DSD and losing her career.

If you found out as an adult, perhaps when trying to have children, that you had a DSD would you suddenly feel like a man? I'm very sure that I wouldn't.

By the way, this is why "define a woman" is a stupid demand.*

Agree with you @Everydayimhuffling

I think you’ve got that wrong. Someone upthread said their 16 year old nephew could swim a lap faster than the female world record holder. I doubt she is referring to someone who is one of the Top 57 male swimmers in the world. In other words even mediocre competitve male swimmers stand a good chance of beating the very best female swimmers. Why is that?

Give up what ? Challenging you on your attempt to spread simplistic and degrading generalisations about sex, and pass them off as “objective” and “scientific” “truths”.

Nah it was a pp discussing the Olympic swimming heats. Rtft.

The mindset of men who want to punch women as a sport and be lauded for it is utterly gross. Do you disagree?

What medical condition would that be? If they are purely XX - the above would not happen.

Some of those those were sought out by dodgy coaches with an eye on a quick buck that scoured parts of southern Africa for men with DSDs and told them they would make them rich. Some of them will always have had sporting dreams but others wouldn't have considered it as a career until it was suggested to them.

There would have to be an SRY gene in the X chromosomes. This is a very rare DSD which affects men. They will have been masculinised (as you describe) by male puberty so no they should not compete in the women's category.

medlineplus.gov/genetics/gene/sry/#conditions

Changes affecting the SRY gene have been found to cause 46,XX testicular difference of sex development. Individuals with this condition have a female-typical chromosome pattern (46,XX karyotype) but develop male sex characteristics, including testes, though they may be small and undescended.
In most individuals with 46,XX testicular difference of sex development, the condition results from an abnormal exchange of genetic material (translocation) between the Y chromosome and another chromosome, most often the X chromosome. This exchange occurs as a random event during the formation of sperm cells in the affected person's father. In this condition, the SRY gene (which is on the Y chromosome) is misplaced, almost always onto an X chromosome. A fetus with an X chromosome that carries the SRY gene will develop male sex characteristics despite not having a Y chromosome.

He can and he has been.

I have a family member who is a very good competitive swimmer. Her younger brother who is athletically built but only swims for fun is faster.

Such is life.

Please stop using cis. Women don’t need a prefix.

So no actual examples then, as was asked for?

Some of those those were sought out by dodgy coaches with an eye on a quick buck that scoured parts of southern Africa for men with DSDs and told them they would make them rich. Some of them will always have had sporting dreams but others wouldn't have considered it as a career until it was suggested to them.

@Runningupthecurtains

Like who though?