To think the Khelif issue is now raising more big questions in sport

[FishersGate]

Biological men should not be fighting women how is this even happening ?? Two 'women' failed eligibility tests by the IBA. Yet the IOC deem them suitable it's mind boggling

I agree with this. It must be awful.

But I can't defend her decision to continue to fight against women. Nor the decision of the sporting bodies to allow it.

How interesting that your first response was about the white ones, not the ones who aren't white who are affected by this. Proves my point beautifully: people like you who make this argument only care about black women athletes when they're convenient. Shows just where your priorities are!

As for white athletes, try googling Jamila Kratochvilova.

Not true. It has been appearing over and over and the region of origin is changing. Here is one of the oldest documented cases.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zden%C4%9Bk_Koubek

It just seems that in some parts of the world DSD children are recognised and encouraged to follow some other path. In some parts of the world they are victims of their coaches and national associations who ignore the issues and keep them on the sports path when they know/should know better.

"Doping is not the same as having a naturally higher level of testosterone"

Men have a naturally higher level of testosterone too. Should they be permitted to compete in women's sport if they want to?

Why don't you care about the women of colour who lost out on the chance to represent their country at the Olympics because an athlete who isn't eligible took their place? Why don't you care about the female Algerian boxer whose place has been stolen by Imane?

Other examples then, please?

But has it been established as a biological reality.

I'm very much playing catch up but the only basis for this claim seems to be a statement from the IBA who were so corrupt in their administration of amateur boxing that they were ousted from the Olympics.

Then they're also being far from transparent about their testing and findings
"The statement says: "the athletes did not undergo a testosterone examination but were subject to a separate and recognised test, whereby the specifics remain confidential. This test conclusively indicated that both athletes did not meet the required necessary eligibility criteria and were found to have competitive advantages over other female competitors."

It's being denied by the athlete who has competed and has a fairly normative record as a woman throughout their whole career and they've been given the ok by the oic

I'm not saying they're not intersex or don't have an advantage, but where is the certainty coming from for those claiming that they're definitively biologically male

Which if true of course they shouldn't compete

Yep, and this is what it comes down to. Cases like these are coming now from poorer countries that have less money to spend on high level sport. There is a reason we don't see Black Americans and Brits with Y chromosomes competing in the female category, for example.

“White women weaponising their tears”??

What an absolutely disgusting way to speak about an athlete who is devastated at being put in danger and at an unfair disadvantage in the Olympics she has trained for for most of her life.

What’s wrong with you? Are you so blinkered and prejudiced you can only manage empathy for males and non-white people?

Because those women of colour are inconvenient.

It's a dangerous enough sport without this latest madness.

Plus the simple fact that DSDs are more likely to be recognised in infancy in wealthier countries.

Bro, your argument that the two need to be considered separately is shit.

And still nothing to say about the women of colour who suffer because of competitors with Y chromosomes being included. It says everything, it really does.

They have XY chromosomes is the issue.

What are the ‘standards of white womanhood’?

You are derailing this discussion by trying to suggest this is merely about the competitors race and therefore racism - when it is known they have XY chromosomes.

Of course not. Chromosomes are the critical thing and if he/she has a DSD then the impact on testosterone needs to be taken into account.

This is not a transgender identity question - as with Caster Semenya, these competitors have probably lived their whole lives thinking they are female.

@MidnightPatrol, Semenya lived as a boy from a very young age.

Men with DSDs do not go through puberty. They have all known for years that they are men. There is no escaping this, or ignoring this.

Khelif accepted in 2023 that he had failed the IBA's test and that he had 'competitive advantages' over women. That was a legally binding ruling. Yet he is now fighting women again?

The IOC is not fit for purpose. Corrupt and cowardly.

There's always someone who does. The experiences of the women of colour who suffer when competitors with Y chromosomes are allowed into the female category always get studiously ignored, though. Fingers in ears lalalalala!

The reason they are mostly people of colour is because unscrupulous sports scouts for years have been seeking out males with DSDs from developing countries where genetic testing is not readily available from an early age to families who are poor.

The opportunity for money and prestige is a big lure on all sides. For these athletes and their families obviously it's the opportunity for a better life but this comes at the expense of safety and fairness for female athletes and yes as a PP points out many of the women losing out are women of colour.

It's longstanding deliberate corruption and collusion and you are defending it.

Semenya’s autobiography, for a start?

Khelif was banned from competing in the female category in 2023. He knows he has XY chromosomes. He's a cheat.

With that in mind, As people say it was watching a man punching a woman.then why is Khelifs record 37-9 with five knockouts at the amateur level

Surely if she 'hit like a man' - she would have won more?

Because I don’t believe they have in any way suffered nor have they been targeted by the hatred, disdain, mocking that the Algerian boxer has , that has put her life at risk.