To think the Khelif issue is now raising more big questions in sport

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Biological men should not be fighting women how is this even happening ?? Two 'women' failed eligibility tests by the IBA. Yet the IOC deem them suitable it's mind boggling

Sorry DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace, didn't see you'd already quoted the IOC.

Oh come on.

You’re wringing your hands over what Khelif’s feelings might be if he’s not allowed to compete with women, yet not capable of exercising any empathy towards the women who can’t compete because he’s taken their spot?

Why? Why only be upset about one person and not the other? And why reserve your upset for the person who doesn’t meet the criteria for the sport, rather than the one who does?

What is it that makes Khelif more deserving, in your eyes, than the other competitors?

Male puberty does though.

The International Boxing Association has been discredited as an organisation. Read up how they disqualified the two athletes.

Parroting the phrase ‘culture wars’ over and over doesn’t make facts or reality change and it won’t make those of us concerned with fairness shut up, either.

This idea of the poor athlete who believed themselves to be a woman is so tiresome. Same was bandied around with Caster Semenya
They were born with ambiguous genitalia. In most countries they would have been tested at birth and found to be male but, without testing, had F marked on birth certificate
They went through male puberty and would know then they were male as their bodies developed
They are often sought after by coaches to win in women's tournaments
They are probably mediocre but the male advantage, which they know about, means they can succeed against women
They are cheating men and they know it. All the hand wringing but no concern for the women and girls who miss out
And TRAs want males without DSDs to play in women's sport on words alone🤦‍♀️

This was in response to @Tandora but the quote failed.

What a time to be alive right - we watched a man, beat a woman up legally on tv - and there is nothing we can do about it. What a sad day to be a woman. I fear this will get worse - and I would absolutely discourage my daughter from contact sports where I now know - men can compete against her.

Watching Angela Carini cry in the ring is devastating. Her Olympic dreams destroyed. All that work, training, mental training all wasted as she didn't even have a chance to compete

Yeah. IOC kicked out the organisation previously responsible for Box (the one that banned both of them) and didn't replace it with the new one (being created) yet. In this situation IOC took direct responsibility for boxing, fucked up and is trying to "tone it down" no and "prevent witchhunts" against their incompetence.

This is causing alarm in the world of boxing. Absolute mayhem. It’s causing alarm in the general population.
It isn’t just a few high profile GC women calling this bullshit out. You might wish this to be true, but like other areas of life, because you want it to be true doesn’t make it so.

Do you think this is about Imane Khelif’s race rather than their biological sex?

Shame on you. The harm inflicted was a male bodied person punching her in the head. The weaponising is this person’s sob story about their hard life being pushed today.

A hard life doesn’t qualify you to be a woman competing in female sports. XX chromosomes do.

So one corrupt organisation calls another out another corrupt organisation, and we’re meant to believe the one who has a vested interest in letting males into womens sport, something the IBA didnt do? Why’s that then?

The IBA can’t realise his private medical records, so what do you expect them to do? You know who could though? The very man in question, he could prove us all wrong and stop the distress if he wanted to, so why doesn’t he?

I am interested in the answer to this, too.

That's not correct. Where did you get that story?

They were tested in 2022 and 2023 and disqualified from competition.

For the olympics, there was no testing. They took the 'F' on the passport as proof.

Your understanding is wrong.

The only qualification according to the IOC was an F in their passport.
The IBA actually did tests and these two boxers failed. It was not a testosterone issue, they have been explicit.

Now, I have empathy for athletes with DSDs while they are teens discovering who they are. I have none when someone is well aware of their sex status but is choosing to ignore it for sporting and financial success.

There are women who have been and still are permanently displaced by the inclusion of these athletes who are competing in theme wrong class.

It's very simple. The IOC need to bring back swab testing.