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To be glad that #IStandWithAngelaCarini is trending no.1 in the UK on X (Twitter)

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AngeloMysterioso · 01/08/2024 16:11

Angela Carini is the incredibly brave Italian boxer who had her Olympic dream shattered in less than a minute after being punched in the face by Imane Khelif, a male competitor who was disqualified from the women’s World Championships last year because his testosterone levels were too high.
Everyone should be saying her name. Over and over and over again.

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Maireanto1 · 01/08/2024 22:56

Queencam · 01/08/2024 22:52

What happens if all Khalif’s opponents have to drop out for fear of injury or death? Feels like a bleak path to win gold. And a hollow victory. How can he/she get any real sense of achievement out of that? And how can the IOC condone it?

His next opponent is Hungarian. Viktor Orban the Hungarian president is conservative & GC, I hope he makes a lot of noise!

FOJN · 01/08/2024 22:58

Alias0023 · 01/08/2024 22:54

Sorry no -- Imane Khelif is not male, she is intersex. I am surprised so many don't seem to know the difference between DSD and transgenderism.

The real question for the IOC is whether her condition gives her an unfair advantage over other women.

I'm surprised you felt qualified to make such an observation when you have clearly not read the thread.

We are well aware of the difference. There is no confirmation that Imane Khelif has a DSD, we know he has XY chromosomes.

Fetlocksblowininthewind · 01/08/2024 22:58

You appear to be ignoring my questions @Tandora

What is sexual fascism?

What rights do trans identified people not have that the rest of society benefit from?

Runningupthecurtains · 01/08/2024 22:58

Most people with xy chromosomes will be biologically male, so will not develop in that manner and instead will develop a female phenotype

Most people with XY chromosomes will develop a female phenotype? And you are trying to claim some sort of expertise in sexual development?

Helleofabore · 01/08/2024 22:59

Tandora · 01/08/2024 22:43

Helle.
It is absolutely 100% relevant to a thread where people are continuing to claim that having a male karyotype makes you a man. This is false: it does not.

As for the woman in question- you do not know what medical condition she has. You do not know what “test” she went under to determine she wasn’t female and had a “advantage”. It was reported this wasn’t related to testosterone. She is legally recognised as female in Algeria.

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And you know, you actively advocate, that any person who says they are a woman is a woman. Therefore, being 'legally' recognised as female is another irrelevant fact, even though the IOC declared it was a reason for inclusion.

It is not relevant to bring in people with CAIS.

Feel absolutely free to argue that chromosomes do not necessarily make a person a 'man' or a 'woman'. Go for it.

However, even a person who doesn't process testosterone is a male person as I believe you understand. Of course, their situation is not the situation here. Although you, personally, can choose to ignore the IBA tests. It is also important to note here that neither country's boxing federations appealed this ruling in court. If it was a false test, surely they would do so, don't you think?

Your fall back on 'she was legally recognised as female in Algeria' is weak. The IOC failed to protect female athletes in this event. They relied on their guidelines that even they have admitted allow unfair competition to prioritise inclusion of a particular group of male athletes. They have stated this clearly. What they did not do is adopt the international boxing association's regulations despite them claiming that individual sporting authorities should be able to make their own decisions.

The IOC failed to safeguard female athletes in this event.

Maireanto1 · 01/08/2024 22:59

Tandora · 01/08/2024 22:54

statements are false.

I use female all the time, you will find several examples in this thread.

a persons sex cannot be reduced to their karyotype . Please read up on the biology of sex development. Most people with xy chromosomes will be biologically male, so will not develop in that manner and instead will develop a female phenotype.

No you don't, you refer to "women & girls" constantly ... Women & girls are biological females. I have pulled you up on this numerous times today & I'll continue to do so!
Sex matters, every feminist knows this!

theDudesmummy · 01/08/2024 23:00

@mumedu I must have understood boxing wrong then. Vag boxing sounds a bit spicy, but each to their own...

Barbie222 · 01/08/2024 23:00

Having XY chromosomes does not make a person a man.

It's been explained repeatedly here that it does. The Y chromosome is the deciding factor. This is just misinformation

theDudesmummy · 01/08/2024 23:01

Having XY chromosomes is precisely what makes someone a man (or a boy, of course).

NonPlayerCharacter · 01/08/2024 23:02

Tandora · 01/08/2024 22:54

statements are false.

I use female all the time, you will find several examples in this thread.

a persons sex cannot be reduced to their karyotype . Please read up on the biology of sex development. Most people with xy chromosomes will be biologically male, so will not develop in that manner and instead will develop a female phenotype.

statements are false.

The irony kills me.

I use female all the time, you will find several examples in this thread.

You use it to mean male. If I call my cat a dog, what does that tell you?

viques · 01/08/2024 23:02

Alias0023 · 01/08/2024 22:54

Sorry no -- Imane Khelif is not male, she is intersex. I am surprised so many don't seem to know the difference between DSD and transgenderism.

The real question for the IOC is whether her condition gives her an unfair advantage over other women.

Have you read any of the thread? To save you the trouble here is a précis.

Khelif has already been banned from competing as a woman because when tested ( not for testosterone) Khelif was shown to be a man, ie with XY chromosomes.

There is no such condition as intersex.

HTH

Maireanto1 · 01/08/2024 23:02

Tandora · 01/08/2024 22:54

statements are false.

I use female all the time, you will find several examples in this thread.

a persons sex cannot be reduced to their karyotype . Please read up on the biology of sex development. Most people with xy chromosomes will be biologically male, so will not develop in that manner and instead will develop a female phenotype.

Nope you don't Tandora. You use "women & girls". There are two sexes male XY & female XX.

FOJN · 01/08/2024 23:02

Tandora · 01/08/2024 22:56

XY chromosomes are unambiguous indicators that someone is male

this is not true.

Yes it is.

Some males who have a DSD and develop along the female phenotype does not actually change their sex.

You can quote the NHS website as many times as you like it still won't make males with CAIS female.

Superhansrantowindsor · 01/08/2024 23:03

This particular athlete was banned from competing in the past and yet they never appealed the decision. I wonder why? If someone told me I couldn’t participate in a woman’s only event because of my biology I’d be absolutely fuming!

Maireanto1 · 01/08/2024 23:04

theDudesmummy · 01/08/2024 23:00

@mumedu I must have understood boxing wrong then. Vag boxing sounds a bit spicy, but each to their own...

Vag boxing sounds like an extreme sport🤣

Tandora · 01/08/2024 23:05

Maireanto1 · 01/08/2024 23:02

Nope you don't Tandora. You use "women & girls". There are two sexes male XY & female XX.

FFS 😂 I use women, girls and female . As well as men and males. You telling me what words I use fully tracks.
a bit like telling other people what sex and gender they are and what words they always like based
on their medical conditions 😆

OvaHere · 01/08/2024 23:05

There's been so much lying and collusion in sport to fuck women over I wouldn't be surprised if both boxers were just bog standard men.

How can we trust anything they say, anything the IOC says, anything the media says?

Tandora · 01/08/2024 23:06

FOJN · 01/08/2024 23:02

Yes it is.

Some males who have a DSD and develop along the female phenotype does not actually change their sex.

You can quote the NHS website as many times as you like it still won't make males with CAIS female.

It makes them women and girls with a male karyotype and a female phenotype , who are registered female at birth and medically and legally recognised to be female.

Runningupthecurtains · 01/08/2024 23:07

Maireanto1 · 01/08/2024 23:04

Vag boxing sounds like an extreme sport🤣

It sounds like a food delivery I don't want to order from Gwenny Paltrow.

Helleofabore · 01/08/2024 23:07

Sheaintheavyshesmymother · 01/08/2024 22:47

I use CIS to denote “born with a vag” but I’m happy to write “born with a vag” each time since CIS grinds your gears so.

Standing by patiently to read credible evidence that Imane Khelif was born a man.

Being female is not defined by whether you have a vagina or not. Some male people with differences of sex development have vaginas, although they are very usually shallow and are not connected to a uterus.

The IBA statement overnight made it clear that these boxers were not female and had male pubertal advantage. I am very sure that if this was false, the statement would have been removed by now under threat of being sued.

You, personally, can choose to ignore this statement of course. But you are also now demanding that these athletes disclose more information to the public when they obviously do not wish this.

CakeAtFour · 01/08/2024 23:07

XY = male
XX = female

Everything else = gender bollox that has no meaning in sporting categories

endofthelinefinally · 01/08/2024 23:08

Alias0023 · 01/08/2024 22:54

Sorry no -- Imane Khelif is not male, she is intersex. I am surprised so many don't seem to know the difference between DSD and transgenderism.

The real question for the IOC is whether her condition gives her an unfair advantage over other women.

Khelif is genetically male, has XY chromosomes, has obviously been through male puberty. Given the history publicly available it is most likely that Khelif has the same DSD as Caster Semenya and others, born male, but with ambiguous external genitalia and internal testes. Testes that still produce a flood of testosterone at various times, but especially at the onset of puberty. At that point it is difficult to believe that the physical changes would not be noticed.
I don't think anyone on this thread has said that Khelif is transgender or claiming to be transgender, but of course it is a long thread and I may have missed it.
It is dishonest, exploitative, unethical and unsporting on so many levels to allow this situation to continue. The IOC are a disgrace.

Bex5490 · 01/08/2024 23:09

NonPlayerCharacter · 01/08/2024 22:48

People whose bodies prevent them from competing traditionally should have a forum in which to compete if they choose to.

Well, I suppose people with DSDs are free to set up a sporting institution just for people with DSDs if they want to. I could set one up for stiff, weak, extreme hourglasses who can't run. I'd just have to make sure nobody mistakes my boobs for the gymnastics foam pit.

😂

Maireanto1 · 01/08/2024 23:12

Tandora · 01/08/2024 23:05

FFS 😂 I use women, girls and female . As well as men and males. You telling me what words I use fully tracks.
a bit like telling other people what sex and gender they are and what words they always like based
on their medical conditions 😆

I'll keep an eye @Tandora . I've been calling you out all day. For the sake of clarity women & girls are Females

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