To be glad that #IStandWithAngelaCarini is trending no.1 in the UK on X (Twitter)

[AngeloMysterioso]

Angela Carini is the incredibly brave Italian boxer who had her Olympic dream shattered in less than a minute after being punched in the face by Imane Khelif, a male competitor who was disqualified from the women’s World Championships last year because his testosterone levels were too high.
Everyone should be saying her name. Over and over and over again.

Any argument to the contrary of this thread gets deleted by mumsnet which speaks volumes.

The boxer is a woman who has been female her entire life, raised to be female and presents as female. She is not trans and a lot of these arguments are discriminatory against intersex/those with DSD.

Have they? How convenient.

www.shewon.org

^ and he's one of many, many males who have been permitted to compete in women's sports because they claim to be women

Didn't look female presemting to me, just a bogstandard piece of shit cheating man!

We (collective we, not aimed at anyone in particular) need to stop using the term “intersex” it’s a total misnomer and implies there is ambiguity. The fact is that a vanishingly small number of children are born with DSDs each year, the vast majority of those can have their true sex established with some basic tests and the others will be clarified through more thorough testing. In some countries, where healthcare systems are not as robust it is understandable that some children may be mis-identified at birth but as they grow, and certainly by the time they hit puberty, it is very obvious which sex they are.

True hermaphroditism does not exist within humans and it is something we need to shout out loud every time these cases arise.

He's male. He's been male his whole life regardless of any undisclosed medical condition. He failed a chromosome test which means he has male chromosomes XY. What do you think they were testing for? Whether he likes the colour pink?

@Whoahnelly

The boxer is a man who has been raised as a girl due to a DSD.

At some point it would be clear that they were not female.

It is likely this is before they decided to compete in boxing in the women's category.

Despite the boxer and their coaching team knowing this and having been refused entry into women's sport previously, because ....not a woman, they decided to take part in the Olympics, knowingly in the incorrect category.

This boxer is a cheat. They know this. Their coaching team know this. The IOC know this.

They don't care because ...meh...women's sports.

Where's your evidence for this? I've checked and I can find none. It looks to me as if you're deliberately spreading disinformation.

This isn't the Hunger Games, Carini hasn't been selected at random or dragged in unwilling in order to have qualified for the Olympic boxing she will have boxed extensively and well prior to this fight. She isn't on a Red Letter Day experience and has just discovered that boxing involves get hit she will have taken plenty of punches before - just not from someone will male strength.

But you're asking the women athletes to take a huge hit here to right wrongs done to them. They shouldn't have to do that. Everyone else should be standing up for their rights so that they don't miss out on their big moment.

Well, the justification for this is that it makes the men happy so we should be inclusive.
How much do you value male happiness?

Remember the ex services man now going by the name Fallon Fox (MMA fighter) in a so called womens league?
Here is a quote from Fallon Fox.

"For the record, I knocked two out. One woman’s skull was fractured, the other not. And just so you know, I enjoyed it. See, I love smacking up TEFS (sic) in the cage who talk transphobic nonsense. It’s bliss!"

How many women are actually going to need to die before mens desire to take part in womens sports is seen as less important than the reality of how dangerous this is if you were genuinely born female?

Yep

@Whoahnelly
as I said previously ignoring the testing which conclusively proves he is a man, my 2.5 year old could tell you that’s a man just by looking at him. You can make your passport state whatever fiction you want - he is a man.
he should not be allowed to fight women.

its fundamentally unfair and wrong.

This is not true, the boxer has been genetically tested and is XY — male. You seem to be deliberately spreading disinformation.

Which are these posts "arguing the contrary" which are being deleted? I assume they are perfectly polite, rational arguments of course, and not just insults and slurs?

Angela Carini has fought to be an athlete on her sport good enough to represent her country. She has been entirely let down by the regulators of sport. She acted with bravery and class today.

It is devastating for women in sport that safety is not being protected.

I really worry that a women needs to die before sport makes changes.

I really hope every other women refuses to fight

The boxer has XY chromosomes, therefore he is a man. It doesn't matter that he was raised and presents as a female. I'm sorry if his life has been upturned by finding out that he is indeed male, however, that doesn't make it right that a female boxer loses out because HE refuses to pull out. Even if he had found out 5 minutes before the bout, he should have pulled out because he would know if he continued he would be cheating and no decent human would do that to another for their own gain. I'm afraid it says a lot about his morals and personality.

The boxer is a woman who has been female her entire life

No he is not.

raised to be female and presents as female.

And yet is not female.

DSD

If you knew the first thing about this, you'd know that every person with a DSD is male or female, just with a development variation. The only reason it's recognisable as a DSD is because it must exist in a male body. It is discriminatory against women to deny them equal opportunities by favouring males in sport. "Intersex" is a misleading term that many people with DSDs find offensive.

You seem to be under some misillusion here.

The posts that get deleted are not because they present an alternative viewpoint. They get deleted because they cannot seem to articulate their opinion without using negative (and prejudiced) generalisations, or name calling. In other words, they effectively abuse others who disagree with them.

But by all means, try to convince readers who if they know what they are looking for can see from copy and pasted sections of the deleted posts, can see that you have just attempted to misrepresent the reason for the deletion.

Why do you think people who agree with you and disagree with others cannot keep within the published guidelines? Is it because they attempt to use tactics they have seen extreme activists use and try to replicate them on MN which has an active moderation team that is professional rather than ideological volunteers ?

If you can show some stats that reveal this person has never been beaten in the ring by all means present them. I would think their wins and losses will be quite well documented online and not just on Wikipedia.

He was disqualified from the Women’s World Boxing Championships last year because he failed to meet the eligibility criteria for participating in the women's competition. Because he's not female.

He was going to appeal that decision, but withdrew.

He knows that him fighting women isn't fair and isn't safe for his female opponents. The IBA knows it too.

I think women's safety is much more important than the precious feelings of a male that wants to beat women up.

If you read my post again you will see that I said I don’t believe they should be pitted against other women. The rest of my comment was purely factual.

As a general rule of thumb, having a small penis does not make you a woman. There have been men born with DSDs that led them to think they were women who gave back their gold medals once they realised that they were men.

Look up Erik Schinegger. Once he realised he was male he gave his medals to the women who should have won them. Then he had an operation to descend his testicles and now he's a father (and more recently a grandfather).

There's nothing new about having a difference of sexual development. What's new is that the press are unable to report on it accurately.

Me too.

They need to feel just how many people are furious about this.

Anyone fancy a trip to Paris?

People who stand up for women's rights have always been insulted and demonised for it.

I am not a rabid anti trans "feminist"

The word feminism simply means to centre women/ females in any activism.

Feminism has nothing to do with males of any type.

"Rabid" perpetuates the patriarchal stereotype that women who stand up for women's rights are to be dismissed.