A woman has to box a man today at the Olympics. AIBU to be scared for her?

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They are both biological males. Its to IOC, International Olympic committee. There will be a protest and i know another female Irish boxer has pulled out but surely this cant stand. The women could be seriously injured.

I totally agree that people who have been through male puberty shouldn't be competing against women, but there are some absolute garbage comments on this thread.

I mean, it's open for people to express their opinions, but..at least partially-informed, semi-serious opinions please - otherwise we're in Daily Mail territory.

Several absolute non-contributions to proper debate/commentary on here...just read and be informed if you have nothing sensible to say...

But, yeah - its the male puberty thing that means that men have the advantage strength/powerwise...ridiculous to allow XY chromosomes v XX

The IBA statement makes clear it is not a 'testosterone test' that was failed

www.iba.sport/news/statement-made-by-the-international-boxing-association-regarding-athletes-disqualifications-in-world-boxing-championships-2023

If all the women boxers refused to take part then one man would win gold, one man would win silver. That is it.

Nothing else will happen to the men or the sport. But the women, present and future, will lose sponsorship which means they cannot devote time, effort or getting a top notch coach. That's before you realise they can't compete at grassroots level and get noticed enough for the money, coaches and selected for championships. There will be no point entering as they will never, ever be able to win. All it takes is ONE MAN to destroy everything women work for.

My DS is 11 and I made the mistake of arm wrestling him the other day! While I am not particularly strong nor is he freakishly strong. He is skinny as a lat but over the last year has suddenly become all bones and muscle. What I thought would be an easy win was actually very evenly matched. A year ago I absolutely would have won and he hasn't been weightlifting on the sly, just hormones have kicked in and his body structure is changing.

@Runsyd no, I haven't missed that.
The question is, what do we do to stop it from happening to start with.
Do we allow women to be eroded? Disregard everything they've ever fought hard for?

Have you seen the power difference between a man and woman at the top of their sport, one of the most popular examples is the Serena Williams sisters against a man ranked about 200 below them?
Go look up fox v Brents match, it’s not dramatic to be scared at a man v woman boxing match. Have you done contact sports with a man? Felt the power of their punches on pads even if they’re roughly the same weight ?

i dont normally post on these kinds of threads... but this really worries me! how on earth people cannot see that the male body is genetically stronger than the female one is beyond me.

i understand there is alledged use of drugs to reduce testosterone and stuff but i still dont believe it works like that!

i really hope all female competitors refuse to box and then leave the two men too it.. let them enjoy their cheated medals

I thought this too!

Why did you quote me? Am I not allowed to say a man fighting a woman is sickening ?

You can rule out the women with a condition that produces incredibly high testosterone because any condition that causes that would also leave the woman completely unable to compete too. You simply couldn't have that high a testosterone without suffering ( not that any condition causes that high a testosterone level anyway)

These 2 people have xy chromosomes

@PurpleSparkledPixie I hear and agree with you.
So the question is, what can be done?
After all, the men are going to win those medals regardless of whether the woman competes or not.
So everything she has worked damned hard for is going to be wasted anyway unfortunately.

I'm just reposting this excellent post with nothing more to add.

But but the poor menz with ladies feels. Be kind

So wrong, but we also need to address another issue here and go one step further. Firstly we need to acknowledge biological differences and then speak about their consequences, namely, there are men's sports and there are women's sports. Many years ago, when women's judo was gaining traction, my cousin was encouraged by her school teacher to join. She did. The teacher was a hard-core feminist, including regarding biological aspects, in other words she did not see what practical physical consequences will ensue for my sister. Long story short, cousin was unable to find a regular sparring partner of the same weight and has suffered, from a relatively young age, from a severe uterine prolapse and inability to carry to full term, even once. Multiple miscarriages. Boxing is not a sport for women, be it women-to-women only or otherwise. Like judo. In some sports women and men can compete on equal terms safely - chess, for example, but because organisers know that it will demonstrate a non-woke outcome, they don't want to do it.

PPs who state that other competitors should withdraw, in other sports, women have withdrawn and refused to play and the governing body/secretariat support the person who has now had a bye to winning the medal | competition.

See Lynne Pinches. Deta Hedman.

Riley Gaines has been vocal about what happened to her in re: Lia Thomas (swimming).

Yet another great event being reduced to a joke. How can they allow this?

They don't have an opportunity if they are competing against men. They are just fillers.

What's your answer?
Moan quietly about it being unfair, watch your medals go to men but go along with the freakshow then shuffle back to the dressing room where you may have to get changed with a bloke.?

Or tell them to fuck off and that you won't be part of a travesty or lend credence an assault on women's rights.

These people won't stop. They want to have men competing in women's sport.
The only way to stop that is to not provide them with women to compete against. Women aren't competitors in this, they are agenda fodder.
Let the cheats walk out onto the field alone.

It would be sorted quickly from grass routes to elite if there was a massive boycott. To much money involved for them to have the system collapse to support a cheating minority .

For anyone able to access twitter, this was the IOC's response.

https://x.com/treesey/status/1818672682038104253

Here is a condensed version:

https://x.com/runthinkwrite/status/1818234505833877736

So the ever reliable  @seaningle asked the key question at the  @iocmedia prezzer just now, about the two male boxers in the female competition. Here are some comments on the answer from Mark Adams, for the IOC...

Adams said that the two boxers in question were designated as female on their passports.

But this - 'passport sex' - is not the right criterion for assessing male advantage (and male risk) in sport. As CAS correctly determined in 2019: "It is human biology, not legal status or gender identity, that ultimately determines which individuals possess the physical traits which give rise to that insuperable advantage, and which do not."

Adams' second tack was to say that the boxers had competed as female previously. This is, of course, irrelevant to the justice of their eligibility now. If they have competed unfairly and unsafely in the past, all the more reason to prevent further harm and unfairness.

his third argument was that this is all 'incredibly complex'. But Sean's question indicated why this isn't true. Going through male puberty gives male advantage, and male advantage must be excluded from female sport

and the fourth argument was linked to this. Adams questioned - with a straight face - whether male puberty gave an clear advantage in boxing. All this, as a support for a 'sport by sport' approach. Indeed Adams called for a 'discipline by discipline' approach

It's difficult to know what to say about this, except that the IOC appears to be intellectually and morally corrupt. All four arguments are hopeless. And this corruption amounts to the IOC licencing men punching women as sport.

So all us women and girls out there, it is now official as per IOC that if someone has an F in their passport, they are female. And if a male person has done something once before and got away with it, then that sets it as a precedence for that male person to continue on. And that if it is all a bit too hard, prioritising the needs of female people should be just dropped.

Either the woman will get battered, or her opponent will lose accidentally on purpose, and supporters of men in women's sport will say, see, nothing to see here, nowt wrong with this, like they did with Laurel Hubbard at the last Olympics in the women's weight lifting

So the MRA’s and TRA’s win either way.

i really hope all female competitors refuse to box and then leave the two men too it.. let them enjoy their cheated medals

Its not fair to leave the burden of this with them. Everyone else needs to step up for their rights.

It's not "scaremongering". It's men, who ALL the evidence shows are considerably physically stronger, beating up women. For sport. And it's allowed because if you're a man who claims you're a woman then you are and that overrides ALL other considerations, especially, you know, safety and fairness to mere women. I suppose you're not historically, scientifically or socially literate enough to understand why males and females have separate sports, are you?

Why are you advocating for men to beat up women as sport? Do you think heavyweights should be in boxing matches with flyweights as well, or is it just when women (the actual female sort) are involved that you decide a blind eye must be turned and anyone who objects is "hysterical?" Bloody MRA.

Yes. I believe they do.

Thank you for bringing this out of the feminist board and into the sunlight @ilovemoney

Welcome to 2024, whereupon men beating the shit out of women is televised entertainment.

A convicted child rapist will also be appearing on our screens, participating in the games.

Progress indeed, eh.

I thought that too then worked it out. I don't think they are fighting each other (which would be sort of ok) but they are both fighting a woman