A woman has to box a man today at the Olympics. AIBU to be scared for her?

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Lin Yu-ting and Imane Khelif: Boxers cleared for Paris Olympics - BBC Sport

They are both biological males. Its to IOC, International Olympic committee. There will be a protest and i know another female Irish boxer has pulled out but surely this cant stand. The women could be seriously injured.

How can it not be Ok to say, factually, X was male at birth?

They are fully supportive of these two male athletes competing in the female category.

They are

When you yourself agree it is unfair, would you mind explaining your reasoning around dismissing other women's concerns about a man boxing a woman as "scaremongering"?

I would say it is "awareness raising". Especially necessary as in a somewhat Orwellian twist, IOC have attempted to ban media references to all athletes' sex and gender identity.

That's against the reporting guidelines. Journalists are having to be super nuanced to make sure their reporting isn't taken down.

Yes, they are, or at least they have both failed gender tests, but they're both entered in the women's boxing. They're not fighting each other.

I listen to talksport...not famed as a Bastian of female rights, but everyone of their boxing experts, the presenters, the callers are against this. It's one thing men and women competing in equestrian events, but I can assure you that as biological males these people are a real threat to the safety of the other boxers. I've been watching boxing both ringside and on tv for almost 50 years and I have never seen such miss matches. It's a disgrace

I don't want to come across as victim blaming, that certainly isn't my intention.
I'm saying that the women should rise together and say enough is enough.
As someone up thread said, they are being cheated and robbed. How is that a fair competition?
As someone else said, they have trained damned hard for the event that they're competing in, how is it fair for them to lose out on their dream for a man?
This is why I say that the biological women should say nope, not competing until you remove the men, not because I'm victim blaming.
Again I ask, what sort of man would willingly punch a woman, sport or not.
Most decent men would refuse to punch a woman, regardless of the reason for doing so.
Yet sickeningly, he's being cheered on to do just that.

But why?

@TheKeatingFive She doesn't have a career.
No sports woman required to compete against men has a career because they can never win. Careers in sport, making money, relies on being on the podium.

Going ahead isn't protecting her career, her career is gone whilst men are in women's sport.

Every woman in the games needs to pull out now in solidarity. Whilst they accept this and don't make a stand, it will continue.
The people pushing this agenda won't just stop because they think better of it.
We have to make them stop by women refusing to take part in travesty competitions.

Anyone know the history of these two? The article says they failed a testosterone test. It doesn't say anywhere they were born with a penis and testicles so I'm trying to understand there background and if they are actually trans?

You make it sound like you think it’s the fault of the women.

@Polyp0 That certainly isn't my intention as I explained in another post.

Sorry, I didn’t see it.

Because this is the world we live in now. We couldn't be hurting the menz feelings by telling the truth, very transphobic and bigoted to suggest that.

If this is news to you, welcome to the party ladies. This will peak so many

I think they have differences of sexual development - DSD. They are not men who have decided they want to be women. They are people who were born with ambiguous sex characteristics and raised as girls. Then at a later stage it was discovered that their genetic make-up was male - usually this is picked up when the "girl" hits puberty, doesn't have periods or grow breasts but shoots up and gets very broad.

These two boxers have XY chromosomes. They are male. They should not be competing with women. They fall into the same category as Caster Semenya. Not all parts of hte world have advanced medical facilities where this would have been picked up shortly after birth and the family given guidance and counselling to deal with the issues. However, these two individuals DO know now that they are biologically male, and still want to compete against women. That is very very wrong.

From an admittedly quick google it is not at all clear whether they are intersex, biologically female with high testosterone levels (really difficult - definite advantage but should we penalise women for having a medical condition?) or transgender women. Failing a testosterone test does not automatically mean someone is biologically male. It’s not clear cut at all, so starting this thread calling them ‘men’ is also starting from a specific viewpoint…

Because society thinks women are worthless.

women are fighting so hard and so long to retain women's sports. One possibility is that men could come together and stop trying to take over women's sports. Imagine that as a solution. Men fixing themselves and taking responsibility for their behaviour.

Read what the other boxer who fought her said - she was glad to get out of the ring alive

The other thread on this links to a statement by the original body that ordered the tests at Tokyo (this body is not currently in charge of regulating Olympic boxing as discredited for different reasons). They said it wasn't a testosterone test but two separate tests which confirmed neither athlete eligible for women's competition. They won't say which tests - possibly for data protection rules as would be revealing medical information or something?

Have you somehow missed what happens to women when they speak up against trans activism?

Every woman should withdraw from the whole bloody thing and let them suck the bones out of that.

@ilovemoney unfortunately, they're not going to do that, hence women have to make a stand.

The international boxing association said Khelif has XY chromosomes.

Obviously that could be something someone is unaware of as a child (like Caster Semenya I believe), rather than someone being a transwoman.