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A woman has to box a man today at the Olympics. AIBU to be scared for her?

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ilovemoney · 01/08/2024 10:28

Lin Yu-ting and Imane Khelif: Boxers cleared for Paris Olympics - BBC Sport

They are both biological males. Its to IOC, International Olympic committee. There will be a protest and i know another female Irish boxer has pulled out but surely this cant stand. The women could be seriously injured.

Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting

Lin Yu-ting and Imane Khelif: Boxers cleared for Paris Olympics

Two athletes are cleared to compete at the women's boxing at the Paris Olympics, having been disqualified from last year's World Championships for failing to meet eligibility criteria.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/articles/c4ngr93d9pgo

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Naunet · 01/08/2024 15:23

Tandora · 01/08/2024 15:20

A) If you think all women have penises you are seriously deranged.

B) I rarely ask people about their genitalia in the course of my work-
it would be deeply intrusive and completely unnecessary. Of the two of us , you are the one who seeks to fixate on other people’s genitalia, and choses to discriminate against people simply for having a body that doesn’t conform to your particular ideas about how people should be/ look,

In any case personally attacking me might bring you some kind of psychological satisfaction , but it won’t really advance your cause, so it’s really neither here nor there.

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What do you think of the transman fighting in the womens boxing in the olympics?????

NonPlayerCharacter · 01/08/2024 15:24

Tandora · 01/08/2024 15:20

A) If you think all women have penises you are seriously deranged.

B) I rarely ask people about their genitalia in the course of my work-
it would be deeply intrusive and completely unnecessary. Of the two of us , you are the one who seeks to fixate on other people’s genitalia, and choses to discriminate against people simply for having a body that doesn’t conform to your particular ideas about how people should be/ look,

In any case personally attacking me might bring you some kind of psychological satisfaction , but it won’t really advance your cause, so it’s really neither here nor there.

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If you think all women have penises you are seriously deranged.

If you think any women have penises you are seriously deranged.

I rarely ask people about their genitalia in the course of my work

Oh, it's the "anyone who thinks sex exists and sometimes matters has an unhealthy obsession with genitals" form of disingenuous non argument. Attempting to make it out to be a matter of sexual perversion when all the other insane silencing tactics don't work.

Although I suppose if you think men beating up women is fair and women can have penises, it stands to reason that you wouldn't know perversion if it slapped you with its penis in a boxing ring...

Tandora · 01/08/2024 15:24

OvaHere · 01/08/2024 15:22

Yet here you are running defence for a man who should never have been in that ring breaking a woman's nose in under a minute and destroying the Olympic dreams she will have worked many years towards.

We've had many spats across many threads on MN Tandora and you never express any empathy for women and girls.

Your idea of “expressing empathy for women and girls” is conforming to your particular brand of sexual fascism. This is not empathy for women and girls.

OvaHere · 01/08/2024 15:26

Tandora · 01/08/2024 15:24

Your idea of “expressing empathy for women and girls” is conforming to your particular brand of sexual fascism. This is not empathy for women and girls.

You're unhinged and most people here can see that clearly.

Maireanto1 · 01/08/2024 15:26

Tandora · 01/08/2024 15:24

Your idea of “expressing empathy for women and girls” is conforming to your particular brand of sexual fascism. This is not empathy for women and girls.

Tandora again I think you mean to say FEMALES here when you keep referring to "women & girls".
Sex matters. Words matter.

WickedSerious · 01/08/2024 15:27

'Sexual fascism'.

Translation;Biological reality.

Runningupthecurtains · 01/08/2024 15:28

@Tandora so what is the none fascist definition of woman?
If the definition adult human female is to narrow give us a wider one.
Why do you regard words having an actual definition as fascist?

Tandora · 01/08/2024 15:29

NonPlayerCharacter · 01/08/2024 15:24

If you think all women have penises you are seriously deranged.

If you think any women have penises you are seriously deranged.

I rarely ask people about their genitalia in the course of my work

Oh, it's the "anyone who thinks sex exists and sometimes matters has an unhealthy obsession with genitals" form of disingenuous non argument. Attempting to make it out to be a matter of sexual perversion when all the other insane silencing tactics don't work.

Although I suppose if you think men beating up women is fair and women can have penises, it stands to reason that you wouldn't know perversion if it slapped you with its penis in a boxing ring...

Oh, it's the "anyone who thinks sex exists and sometimes matters has an unhealthy obsession with genitals" form of disingenuous non argument.

and yet I am not the one who brought penises into this. I do not consider penises to be the central or deciding issue in this debate. I do find it perverted that people focus on this. how can I share this with you in a way that you won’t receive as being disingenuous?

OvaHere · 01/08/2024 15:29

WickedSerious · 01/08/2024 15:27

'Sexual fascism'.

Translation;Biological reality.

Apparently not cheering on male violence against women is 'sexual fascism'

Make it make sense 🙄

MrsAbbew · 01/08/2024 15:30

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Fetlocksblowininthewind · 01/08/2024 15:32

Tandora · 01/08/2024 15:24

Your idea of “expressing empathy for women and girls” is conforming to your particular brand of sexual fascism. This is not empathy for women and girls.

What is "sexual fascism" when it's at home?

Is it where biological females don't want males in their sex segregated spaces & sports etc?

Is it when lesbians refuse to do "lady dick"?

If that is the case... well you can call me a sexual fascist all day long and I'll agree with you happily and wear the name as a badge of pride.

You can't shame us by using nonsensical terms like transphobic, flat-terfer or sexual fascist because when you use terms like that we can clearly see that you are in fact an MRA.

I don't take any heed of people like you throwing silly made up words around. Your opinion and name calling matters not one jot to me, nor I'm sure any of the other women here.

But 2+2=5 and you love Big Brother right?

TheKeatingFive · 01/08/2024 15:32

OvaHere · 01/08/2024 15:29

Apparently not cheering on male violence against women is 'sexual fascism'

Make it make sense 🙄

It'll never make sense. It's the rambling of insane misogynistic cultists.

But I'm glad more and more people are being exposed to the nonsense that sits behind this movement. Operation 'let them speak' is the best strategy.

NotBadConsidering · 01/08/2024 15:32

Tandora · 01/08/2024 15:29

Oh, it's the "anyone who thinks sex exists and sometimes matters has an unhealthy obsession with genitals" form of disingenuous non argument.

and yet I am not the one who brought penises into this. I do not consider penises to be the central or deciding issue in this debate. I do find it perverted that people focus on this. how can I share this with you in a way that you won’t receive as being disingenuous?

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Why don’t you start by explaining why you think these men are trans or DSD, given you state you’re here to defend their rights. Which do you think they are and based on what?

Naunet · 01/08/2024 15:33

Tandora · 01/08/2024 15:24

Your idea of “expressing empathy for women and girls” is conforming to your particular brand of sexual fascism. This is not empathy for women and girls.

Having an understanding of biology isn’t fascism, don’t be ridiculous. Are all animals fascists now?! 🤣

I’ll accept you don’t want to expose yourself as a massive hypocrite and answer the question about the transman in womens boxing, although I’m sure you’re outraged right, because this is a man (by your own ideology) fighting women, and you’re against that?

NonPlayerCharacter · 01/08/2024 15:33

Tandora · 01/08/2024 15:29

Oh, it's the "anyone who thinks sex exists and sometimes matters has an unhealthy obsession with genitals" form of disingenuous non argument.

and yet I am not the one who brought penises into this. I do not consider penises to be the central or deciding issue in this debate. I do find it perverted that people focus on this. how can I share this with you in a way that you won’t receive as being disingenuous?

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Of course you are. You're the one who'd bring them into all female spaces and lost opportunities and broken bones for women are a fair price, and objective biological reality is fascism. You're the one who'd say Mike Tyson is a woman if he decided tomorrow that he is.

And you say everyone else is deranged...

Tandora? Call yourself O'Brien.

NonPlayerCharacter · 01/08/2024 15:34

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No. No human has ever changed sex.

Tandora · 01/08/2024 15:34

OvaHere · 01/08/2024 15:29

Apparently not cheering on male violence against women is 'sexual fascism'

Make it make sense 🙄

I do admire the shamelessness of this form of “argument” declare someone’s position to be something entirely absurd (and evil) and then seek to silence and shame them for something that has nothing to do with any of the words they wrote. 👍🏻

Naunet · 01/08/2024 15:35

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Sex changes are impossible, no surgeon can give you a new set of chromosomes.

Fetlocksblowininthewind · 01/08/2024 15:36

Tandora · 01/08/2024 15:34

I do admire the shamelessness of this form of “argument” declare someone’s position to be something entirely absurd (and evil) and then seek to silence and shame them for something that has nothing to do with any of the words they wrote. 👍🏻

Talking to yourself is the first sign of madness you know...

Tandora · 01/08/2024 15:36

Naunet · 01/08/2024 15:33

Having an understanding of biology isn’t fascism, don’t be ridiculous. Are all animals fascists now?! 🤣

I’ll accept you don’t want to expose yourself as a massive hypocrite and answer the question about the transman in womens boxing, although I’m sure you’re outraged right, because this is a man (by your own ideology) fighting women, and you’re against that?

your form of sexual fascism has nothing to do with biology. you are on this thread spiting angry vitriol at people with variations in sex characteristics, precisely because you have an exceptionally primitive understanding of the biology of sex development,

AlwaysGinPlease · 01/08/2024 15:37

Anyone questioning what's wrong with it, would YOU like to have a fight with HIM?

Maireanto1 · 01/08/2024 15:38

NonPlayerCharacter · 01/08/2024 15:34

No. No human has ever changed sex.

@NonPlayerCharacter excellent response & completely true! You win the thread 💯

Hoppinggreen · 01/08/2024 15:38

This is absolutely awful but if there is even a tint glimmer of a silver lining here its that the travesty that is men competeing against women in contact sports is in the spotlight for the whole world to see

crosstalk · 01/08/2024 15:38

I think the match, and the lamentable position of the IoC, was disgusting. But getting a broken nose in boxing can happen female on female. Probably not as badly as a male hit on a female nose, nor as swiftly done as it was in this round, but it does happen and female boxers know it can.

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