Daily mail article, integration has failed in Germany. Aibu to agree with article?

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13687565/Children-radicalised-mosques-11-knives-crime-verdict-German-child-refugee-charity-integration-failed-asylum-seekers.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=

Aibu to agree to an extent?

Anti social behaviour is unacceptable, period. I'm surprised you can't offer any empathy if you're going through similar problems.

I despair. I really do. The point I made was that I didn’t accept the tendency whereby way all immigrants are made to stand for the actions of any criminals. And I gave an example of that. How on Earth can any constructive discussion ever take place if people just refuse to engage? It could be a genuine conversation - about solutions, about finding ways forward. But no. You asked for examples of how the left are tackling Islamic extremism. In my town (in Sweden), the centre left council invest heavily in areas at risk from such problems - working preventatively, improving social facilities and conditions for people to use public spaces. They fund free parent groups open to all, that also offer initiatives to support integration of women immigrants at risk of isolation. They collaborate with local sports clubs to provide opportunities for girls to take part in sports who may not otherwise have been permitted to do so. There are many more local and national examples. These are not quick fixes, but there are no quick fixes to complex problems, surely?

OP you started this and say you want to discuss solutions - why/how what can be done etc

So maybe start with that - why do YOU think it's 'failed' and what would you change?

Anyone really craving a Spezi now?

I can't if it is their race you choose to blame, I'm afraid.

Sorry, when did the Olympic Opening Ceremony persecute Christians? Or attack them in any way?
Wait. You don’t still think the 17 people standing in a row behind Dionysus was a parody of the 13 people in the painting of The Last Supper do you? It’s a different painting, ironically one which served as inspiration for The Last Supper one.
Seriously, apart from the discrepancy in numbers, did you ever wonder why a painting by an Italian might feature? No, it was about Dionysus, one of the original ‘Olympians’.
You don’t seem particularly well informed about currently hot issues, OP

I am from an immigrant family who yes, learned the lingo.
I do not care what Spain does or doesn’t do about ex pats. I do care about integration of immigrants in the UK.

that I didn’t accept the tendency whereby way all immigrants are made to stand for the actions of any criminals.

I agree, but when a man commits a crime like the one in Southport, we call it ‘male violence’ and say it’s a problem with men. How is this squared?

No insinuation necessary.

You stated his nationality and then said he hadn't integrated.

Not sure what else you could possibly have meant.

It's about people who think they have a right to a particular piece or land just because they were born on it. The border around the land is entirely a man made construct. It is tribalism. Humanity at its most base.

So you are pro colonialism then? Given that borders around land are a man-made construct and tribes are a bad thing.

I haven't read the article, but I believe it's probably a translation of an article that appeared in die Welt a few days ago that I did read. Sorry to disappoint, the Daily Mail didn't commission it!

It mainly centred around knife violence. Germany unfortunately like the UK has a problem with knife crime and it has gotten significantly worse since 2015. There is a particular violent subculture amongst some young men of a migration background and it's worrying. There are reports almost daily of knife attacks somewhere in the country. It probably isn't on the scale of what we see in the UK, but the change appears to have been rapid and now youth workers are saying that they don't have sufficient resources to try and deal with the problem.

That's the facts. You can look it up.

Now many are wondering what has gone wrong. It may be that the integration has failed, it may be that too many people were accepted in the country too quickly.

For what it's worth, these conversations don't function well in Germany either and the problem is never addressed because there are too many people on each side insulting each other and nothing is ever resolved.

That’s a great question and I don’t know the answer. It raises a lot of questions. I guess a simplistic answer is that male violence only refers to men, but applying the same perspective to immigrants places the blame on a wide spectrum of people - women, children etc etc. The intersection of male violence and integration is an important area for debate, that’s for sure.

Again @Piggywaspushed where did I say the man stabbed the children BECAUSE he was Algerian???
I stated his nationality as it is a fact reported by the mainstream media & that he had been living in Ireland over 20 years.

Op I was not replying to you personally I was responding to the posts you quoted me on. Don't tag me if you don't want me to respond to you. Or even better don't start a thread if you don't want people responding to you. I have done nothing wrong so don't insinuate that I have.

How about the documented massive increase in rapes and sexual assault in Germany and Sweden, with non-German and non-Swedish perpetrators being disproportionately represented? Would you call that a disaster or a failure? Do you consider women to be collateral damage?

Why though? You said it was failure of integration.

All I ask is what has failed when a Norwegian kills hundreds of teenagers , or a Scotsman kills tens of Scots children. Is that a different failure?

That is exactly why the DM have published it now. Shit-stirring is always their aim- at the moment linked to racism and causing social unrest and disorder.

Every word of this, from another lifelong leftie who has had enough of women being thrown under the bus in service of a virtue-signalling ideology.

Why don't we talk about Japan? Japan has extremely low levels of immigration and yet I have never heard anyone call them racist bigots? Why is that?

He obviously hadn't integrated well as he was living in a homeless shelter & had been in Ireland 20 years.
I have taken grave exception to your statement & will not be letting it drop, I would like an apology either on this thread or via a pm
Just for clarification what I stated were facts & you then said I implied he committed he committed the stabbings BECAUSE of his nationality which I catagorically did not.

I mean if we are happy to acknowledge one section of society is far more likely to commit specific offences, and are happy to speak about them sweepingly and say it’s all of their problem, why not another? Posters on here are frankly ferocious about ‘placing the blame at the male door’ and have no time for anyone who ‘NAMALT’. Yet with other demographics they’re allergic to sweeping statements etc?

And I replied to you that I had no idea what motivated the man in Dublin to & stab the children.

Honestly I wouldn't bother they seem to like dropping hints at things and then claiming they haven't said it so how dare we suggest they have

Unfortunately I had a very similar experience. We used to live in London in an area with a high Somalian and Pakistani commuinity, and going to the park and to school was a really isolating experience. My daughter got called a 'trashy white slut' at 4 for wearing shorts in the summer and when children played with her they were called over by their mums and told not to. No one would speak to me. At school she was really isolated, so part of the way through reception we moved out of London to a small village, which was much friendlier and more open commuinity towards us.

This is another problem, as you say, the double standards. A discussion like this needs to be able to consider all angles, which can include problematising the out and out rejection of NAMALT.

That is horrific. In western culture that is our clothing norm, no one should dictate to girls & women what they should & shouldn't wear. I'm glad your new area is more inclusive of you & your little girl.

This is why some people are annoyed and who can blame them

How dare they speak to you and your dd like that. Don't come to the UK with that attitude, it's quite frightening and I know it's not all the immigrants who behave like that

My dps were immigrants but they tried to keep their heads down etc