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Daily mail article, integration has failed in Germany. Aibu to agree with article?

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Mimififi · 31/07/2024 12:00

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13687565/Children-radicalised-mosques-11-knives-crime-verdict-German-child-refugee-charity-integration-failed-asylum-seekers.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=

Aibu to agree to an extent?

German refugee charity warns 'integration has FAILED'

In a bombshell interview, staff at a leading youth organisation in Germany have said the continuing influx of refugees means the system is at breaking point. They called for a 'freeze' in admissions.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13687565/Children-radicalised-mosques-11-knives-crime-verdict-German-child-refugee-charity-integration-failed-asylum-seekers.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline&ns_campaign=1490&ns_mchannel=rss

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ViciousCurrentBun · 31/07/2024 16:27

People should read all types of media across the political spectrum. If they don’t they all end up in their own left or right wing echo chambers.

HappierTimesAhead · 31/07/2024 16:27

Dylanesque · 31/07/2024 15:58

I'm sick of the notion that ordinary people today are somehow responsible for what their lords and masters did in previous centuries. My forebears worked on the railways, in factories and before that were in service and agricultural labour. Colonialism was of no benefit to them

I didn't say you or any other individual is responsible. I made the point that the impact of colonisation is still being felt today in the countries that were colonised. It makes sense that those people want to move to places where their rights can be met.
I don't see that I have any more right to this country than they do just because I was born here. I haven't done anything to deserve it, it's sheer luck. I just wish people were honest in acknowledging that.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 31/07/2024 16:27

Sparklingnorthernlights · 31/07/2024 16:15

Immigrant doctors etc DO enrich the country.

Currently there appears to be a lot who are not in those valued professions and drag the country down. The opposite of earlier generation migrants.

Which part of the UK are you that only has the new enriching migrants?

I didn't say that I lived in an area with only "enriching" immigrants. I was merely asking for clarification of who you mean when you say "they".

FWIW, I live in an area with a high number of asylum seekers. I'm guessing that they probably come into the "not enriching category according to your classification. That's not how I see them though...

Dulra · 31/07/2024 16:27

ViciousCurrentBun · 31/07/2024 16:23

I have a foot in both camps my Mum was white and my Dad was from a commonwealth country and arrived as a documented economic migrant in the 1960’s.

The issue is both the far right and left. Now whilst the far right have had a riot and that is obviously bad the far left due to white guilt are really not helping the situation because every single time anyone shows any kind of concern they get shouted down as racist. It’s an actual problem.

The extreme left by shouting people down who have legitimate concerns have actually fuelled the rise of the far right. As unpalatable as that is it is most definitely an unintended consequence.

Extremes on either side are not good but the majority of people are centrist.

Calling out racism and discrimination is not far left.

PoppyBlack · 31/07/2024 16:28

IvyCardamom · 31/07/2024 16:27

💯

Post of the day. This sums up the problem beautifully.

Mimififi · 31/07/2024 16:30

Dulra · 31/07/2024 16:22

Agreeing with the overall decline which drug you was mentioned as part of that. My original point still stands so that you are suggesting a failing education system, drug use, homelessness are all due to failed integration in Germany

I did not mention drug use so stop insinuating I did. I'm also going to ask you to politely refrain from replying to me personally on mumsnet. I do not wish to converse with you any longer especially as you have misquoted me.

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JaneVtwaddle · 31/07/2024 16:32

Happier times it sounds like you want open boarders and free movement every where

Mimififi · 31/07/2024 16:33

65% are in the poll are in agreement.

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MogLosesLbs · 31/07/2024 16:34

I can see it's failed here.

I live in a very heavily immigrant populated area. Most of the women don't speak English. The men are very dismissive of English people. There's absolutely no attempt to join together in the community.

I go in the local shops and try to make small talk and am completely blanked.

The kids are just awful. I was told to 'shut the fuck up you bitch' yesterday as I asked 2 young children to stop poking things under my gate and barking at my dogs as it was upsetting them.

I've lived in very ethnically diverse council estates my whole life so when I was offered a home here I didn't hesitate to take it as I've never had any issues with anyone.
But this is another level and I'm genuinely shocked at what I've seen over the last 6 months.

suburburban · 31/07/2024 16:34

Lilysgoneshopping · 31/07/2024 12:40

Angela Merkels open door immigration policy.
Did anyone ask the Germans if they wanted this?

We were never asked either

Mimififi · 31/07/2024 16:35

MogLosesLbs · 31/07/2024 16:34

I can see it's failed here.

I live in a very heavily immigrant populated area. Most of the women don't speak English. The men are very dismissive of English people. There's absolutely no attempt to join together in the community.

I go in the local shops and try to make small talk and am completely blanked.

The kids are just awful. I was told to 'shut the fuck up you bitch' yesterday as I asked 2 young children to stop poking things under my gate and barking at my dogs as it was upsetting them.

I've lived in very ethnically diverse council estates my whole life so when I was offered a home here I didn't hesitate to take it as I've never had any issues with anyone.
But this is another level and I'm genuinely shocked at what I've seen over the last 6 months.

That is awful 😢 Where were their parents & how can children be raised like this?

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Boomer55 · 31/07/2024 16:36

It has failed in Germany. Not sure it’s anything to do with us though.

Mimififi · 31/07/2024 16:36

suburburban · 31/07/2024 16:34

We were never asked either

Why wasn't a referendum called? Surely that would be the correct process especially as it's mainly funded by taxpayers?

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samanthablues · 31/07/2024 16:37

The daily fail as usual spewing their racist agenda full of hatred and xenophobia trying to show us that foreigners are baaaaad….very baaad.

Murdoch, what an awful man.

Mimififi · 31/07/2024 16:37

Boomer55 · 31/07/2024 16:36

It has failed in Germany. Not sure it’s anything to do with us though.

Sweden also. They admitted it.

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Piggywaspushed · 31/07/2024 16:37

dottiehens · 31/07/2024 16:20

Apparently is so out of hand that they can’t report all of them so are calling for it to be deleted. 😂

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I'm not the one who made the comment ( did you report it?) about Venezuela but I am on that thread so laughing at me behind my back like a schoolyard bully isn't working very well.

There are right wing posts all over this thread.

The OP has already suggested the man in Ireland stabbed schoolchildren because he was Algerian and makes constant oh so funny jibes at ' lefties'. I'm glad these serious issues are such fun.

Piggywaspushed · 31/07/2024 16:39

MogLosesLbs · 31/07/2024 16:34

I can see it's failed here.

I live in a very heavily immigrant populated area. Most of the women don't speak English. The men are very dismissive of English people. There's absolutely no attempt to join together in the community.

I go in the local shops and try to make small talk and am completely blanked.

The kids are just awful. I was told to 'shut the fuck up you bitch' yesterday as I asked 2 young children to stop poking things under my gate and barking at my dogs as it was upsetting them.

I've lived in very ethnically diverse council estates my whole life so when I was offered a home here I didn't hesitate to take it as I've never had any issues with anyone.
But this is another level and I'm genuinely shocked at what I've seen over the last 6 months.

I get this from white British kids. What can I blame?

Mimififi · 31/07/2024 16:40

Piggywaspushed · 31/07/2024 16:37

I'm not the one who made the comment ( did you report it?) about Venezuela but I am on that thread so laughing at me behind my back like a schoolyard bully isn't working very well.

There are right wing posts all over this thread.

The OP has already suggested the man in Ireland stabbed schoolchildren because he was Algerian and makes constant oh so funny jibes at ' lefties'. I'm glad these serious issues are such fun.

I never said it was because he was Algerian. Where the FUCK did I say that? I mentioned his nationality which was a FACT all over the media, when the man was born. I never said he did it BECAUSE of his nationality. How bloody dare you.

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Piggywaspushed · 31/07/2024 16:40

Mimififi · 31/07/2024 16:17

I have no idea what his motives were for stabbing those poor little children coming home from school.

But you implied it was because he was Algerian. And I asked what I could blame for heinous crimes perpetrated by non immigrants.

taylorswift1989 · 31/07/2024 16:42

Piggywaspushed · 31/07/2024 16:40

But you implied it was because he was Algerian. And I asked what I could blame for heinous crimes perpetrated by non immigrants.

No she didn't.

Mimififi · 31/07/2024 16:43

No I most certainly did not. It's a fact he was Algerian living in Ireland over 20 years. A fact reported by mainstream media. How fucking dare you imply I said it was due to his nationality.

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ByPeachKoala · 31/07/2024 16:45

It’s hardly news though is it, much of Europe has been seeing an ongoing rise in the far right, anti immigrant rhetoric, even in countries like Sweden and often it’s the young people voting for far right parties. If you try and transplant people with highly conservative values, sometimes with culturally misogynistic and homophobic beliefs into countries where the rights of women and freedom of religion / politics are upheld in law, you are always going to have clashes of beliefs. I as a British person with German ancestry was aware of the cultural differences when I lived in Germany - there was issues with acceptance of Turkish “ gastarbeiters” when I was there in the 1980s - so it’s no surprise people from other cultures have challenges living there, it’s no different in that respect to the uk but Germany has always been itself a conservative minded country where you are expected to follow the rules, the uk is far more individualistic and tolerant of difference.

Beth216 · 31/07/2024 16:46

When I worked as a supply teacher in London the very 'best', most memorable class I taught was majority non white. Of the two most difficult classes I ever taught one was completely white and the other was mixed with high racial tensions between the different groups. The glaring difference between the 'best' and 'worst' was always about deprivation, never about skin colour.

I'm always confused by threads like these - are we talking about refugees? people who have been forced to leave their home or are we talking about immigrants, people who have come here to work? Surely they're two very different groups and are treated differently by the government? Or are we talking about illegal immigrants another group again? I think it's really difficult to have any kind of useful discussion when it's not even clear what's being discussed. Even the article jumps between using the terms refugees and immigrants.

The problem here seems to be that the people in the article are refugees that are arriving in Germany with probably very little, fleeing war and probably not able to speak German making it very difficult to find work. Of course they are going to struggle to integrate if they don't speak the language, can't work or work in low paid jobs. Of course they are going to stick with people who do speak their language and who have the same culture and beliefs they do. But this obviously can also lead to huge problems especially amongst the children who are caught between cultures, probably living in poverty, unhappy, vulnerable to exploitation and radicalisation.

It very messy and difficult and pretending it's not a huge problem is not helpful - I think I saw that 350,000 refugees arrived in Germany last year, the most since their open door policy in 2015 - and unfortunately this issue has led to a rise in the far right across Europe. I don't know what the answer is though and that's the problem, no one does. What do we do with the huge numbers of people that are being displaced across the world?

Mimififi · 31/07/2024 16:47

taylorswift1989 · 31/07/2024 16:42

No she didn't.

Thank you @taylorswift1989 this is the third time on the thread my words have been twisted & misquoted. @Piggywaspushed further asked me & I replied I have no idea as to what his motives are.
@Piggywaspushed the absolute cheek of you to blatently insinuate that is actually mind blowing. His nationality is a fact the very same as yours or mine.

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Mimififi · 31/07/2024 16:47

ByPeachKoala · 31/07/2024 16:45

It’s hardly news though is it, much of Europe has been seeing an ongoing rise in the far right, anti immigrant rhetoric, even in countries like Sweden and often it’s the young people voting for far right parties. If you try and transplant people with highly conservative values, sometimes with culturally misogynistic and homophobic beliefs into countries where the rights of women and freedom of religion / politics are upheld in law, you are always going to have clashes of beliefs. I as a British person with German ancestry was aware of the cultural differences when I lived in Germany - there was issues with acceptance of Turkish “ gastarbeiters” when I was there in the 1980s - so it’s no surprise people from other cultures have challenges living there, it’s no different in that respect to the uk but Germany has always been itself a conservative minded country where you are expected to follow the rules, the uk is far more individualistic and tolerant of difference.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/swedish-pm-says-integration-immigrants-has-failed-fueled-gang-crime-2022-04-28/

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