Daily mail article, integration has failed in Germany. Aibu to agree with article?

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13687565/Children-radicalised-mosques-11-knives-crime-verdict-German-child-refugee-charity-integration-failed-asylum-seekers.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=

Aibu to agree to an extent?

I remember watching a documentary where a load of Syrian refugees in Germany were boarding a bus to begin the journey back home to Syria through Europe. They claimed that in Germany they were treated very badly and made to feel very unwelcome.

Maybe if the West stopped bombing countries or seeking arms so countries could be destroyed, we wouldn't have so many displaced civilians.

typical left tactic

calling you lot out

I think the OP seems pretty keen on a broad brush approach to debate.

Yeah, as I said - foreigners who weren't born in this country and who have their own language, customs, clothes, foods and drinks.

If integration is causing so many problems we should do it properly, right? The debate about who we should be letting in should apply to everyone, right?

Or is there something indefinably different about someone coming to England from Glasgow compared to someone coming here from, say, Rwanda?

The Southport killings are not immigration related but good old SM has made it that way.
The protests would have been more successful if it was outside parliament and it was targeted at the government banning knives like they did with guns after Dunblane

Where did I mention the man's religion??? I mentioned his nationality. It is very presumtious of YOU to speculate on one's religion based on ones nationality.

Also I see you being the mental health card in to the discussion too. Nice.

Ok I'll highlight it more accurately for you:

Posters point
My DS is just back from a month working all over Germany. He was surprised at the level of open hard drug use in the street in particularly Frankfurt and Essen and how it seemed to be accepted. He's spent his whole life in major UK cities and is pretty streetwise but was still shocked at that and noticeable poverty.
Also seriously unimpressed with Deutsche Bahn.
Evidently all isn't rosy, sadly.

Your response
This is exactly my point

If that is not agreeing with the poster I don't know what is

What is this "card" that you speak of, and where does one obtain one?

Are you wanting to order the mental health card or the racism card? 😉

Haven't seen much evidence on here of hard left. Unless you put objecting to racism and bigotry in that box?

But yes, will be interesting to see how much far right nonsense MN is willing to tolerate.

But I didn't say drug use! You did. I replied, I never used the words "drug use"!

You haven't answered this, OP, and I would like to know.

Immigrant doctors etc DO enrich the country.

Currently there appears to be a lot who are not in those valued professions and drag the country down. The opposite of earlier generation migrants.

Which part of the UK are you that only has the new enriching migrants?

Ffs you still don't get it. You agreed with the poster that did say drug use, I have spelt it out enough times. You are either being deliberately obtuse or thick I don't know which it is and at this stage don't care.

Oh aren’t you clever. Did you even read the other thread? Just hypocrites like the poster I was replying to stated before you decide to repeat more of the same.

I have no idea what his motives were for stabbing those poor little children coming home from school.

Maybe people can report any specific posts they think go against the guidelines instead

Thread’s pretty fast so haven’t looked to see deletions

Labels and boxes! If I say I am opposed to mass immigration and the building of more prisons does that make me far right? Trouble is, I'd also like to see less financial hardship. more council house building and reprivatisation of essential services. Bit woolly socialist that---plus I eat lentils. Some of us have not lost the ability to think for ourselves and we don't fit into the boxes

I was agreeing with her about the overall decline that her husband witnessed. You are quoting me as saying "drug use" which I never did. Hypothetically putting words in my mouth.

Apparently is so out of hand that they can’t report all of them so are calling for it to be deleted. 😂

Yes, I have been following it.

Agreeing with the overall decline which drug you was mentioned as part of that. My original point still stands so that you are suggesting a failing education system, drug use, homelessness are all due to failed integration in Germany

Where did I say it was ok please? You've misquoted me. The OP provided this list as evidence that she personally wouldn't be able to practice her religion in many countries. It didn't support what she was saying at all. She has yet to provide evidence for her statement - apparently we should just google, although she herself hasn't been able to. She hasn't even listed one country that she is specifically referring to, let alone 'many'. There absolutely are countries that specifically don't allow the public practice of Christianity (Saudi for example) but I don't agree that there are 'many' or that it's actually a reason that we should be more restrictive over our own immigration practices.

Of course it's not ok to persecute someone because of their religion or (to be clear) at all. However, OP was saying that immigration has to be both ways, and because other countries don't accept Christianity the UK shouldn't accept other religions. I think regardless of what side of the immigration debate you sit, the idea that the UK should model its practices on how Christians are treated in the countries you describe

Nigeria isn't an Islamic country btw. It's secular and around half of the population are Christian. That doesn't mean there isn't persecution of Christians in the North in particular, but to describe the country with the largest Christian population in Africa (and one of the largest Christian populations in the world) as 'Islamic' is bizarre.

I have a foot in both camps my Mum was white and my Dad was from a commonwealth country and arrived as a documented economic migrant in the 1960’s.

The issue is both the far right and left. Now whilst the far right have had a riot and that is obviously bad the far left due to white guilt are really not helping the situation because every single time anyone shows any kind of concern they get shouted down as racist. It’s an actual problem.

The extreme left by shouting people down who have legitimate concerns have actually fuelled the rise of the far right. As unpalatable as that is it is most definitely an unintended consequence.

Oh. Usually a thread gets holey before it goes kaput. But if no posts cross the line how can the thread

And as much as many claim they do not read the DM it is a major bit of media in the UK. Mn taking down any threads linking to seems strange

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