To not want to see t*ts on the beach??!

[TittiesOutPutThemBack]

Just that really!

on holiday at the mo and I cant even count the number of times I have seen topless women sunbathing at the beach… next to kids!…on non-nudist beach!

I really don’t want to see titties out in the middle of the day

on top of that I don’t fancy my teenage boys or even my DH having a look at them either

its obvious they’re coming from certain European countries ! Do they have no sense of what’s right or wrong ?

AIBU?

Visible staring at your home area on the high street - it feels uncomfortable, focused on you, and weirdly personal. It makes you feel unsafe close to your home.

Beach holiday abroad ads anonymity, distance, and the attention isn't on one person. It is a place with different rules. Still, if someone would visibly focus on one young girl, it would be seen as too much, the same as visibly focusing on one young girl on the street.

Well, I certainly don’t want to see twats on the beach. Assume that’s what the * was for in the OP.

Tabloid journalists do like to stir

No, you are missing literally the most basic premise of the whole discussion, and you've somehow taken "topless sunbathing isn't sexual and men are responsible for how they act" to be "women going yippee at middle aged men leering at their daughters".

You've also missed my entire paragraph where I reminded you that that thread was about a 15 year old who deliberately left the bikinis she bought with her mother at home and brought with a different one she'd bought secretly.

However, this is exactly what I expected when I saw your initial post full of "genuinely confused" and "genuinely asking".

OP Don't go into the sauna or spa day then - you'll really lose your shit......

Surely its just a body and everyone has one.

Breasts are there to feed babies. they weren't created to be sexual.

Genitalia is very different, they are sexual as they are a tool to reproduce! Someone topless on a beach is very different to someone with their big penis out flapping around.

If the Cypriots had a problem with it they'd deal with it - most of Europe doesn't have a problem with it - so you'd better choose to holiday elsewhere - I suggest you avoid large parts of the Caribean (you'll see it all), especially the European dependent territories.

Time to grow up.

Of course nobody is joyful about their teenage daughter being looked at and I never said that they were. Everybody though is saying they would support their daughter doing topless and why shouldn't they etc etc and they were quite happy about it all. Given that we know men do look, why are they not worried about it?
(Given they were worried when their teen daughters were being objectified by middle aged men on the high street)

Completely agree with you, but they are sexualised everywhere you look. It's much easier to find a sexy pictures of boobs than someone breastfeeding a baby!

But you did say that…

here everybody seems to be going yipee at the idea of their teenage daughter being topless to middle aged men

You: Of course nobody is joyful about their teenage daughter being looked at and I never said that they were.

Also you: everybody seems to be going yipee at the idea of their teenage daughter being topless to middle aged men.

Even if you can't follow what other posters are saying, can you at least follow what you're saying?

Sorry I was being sarcastic when I said that. I didn't really think mothers were joyful at their teenage daughters being ogled topless on the beach.
Only 1 person has actually tried to answer my question about bikini's being more sexualised than nakedness.
Everybody else has just ignored the question of why lots of mums were upset at men looking at their teen daughters (clothed) on the high streets but on holiday they are fine/happy/not bothered if the same men can discretly look at their daughters topless.

Of course - but, someone on a beach topless isnt doing a page 3 photoshoot. They will also probably then be feeding their child.
Someone topless on a beach really isnt slightly sexy and in no-way the topless person's issue, it's the person who is sexualising it.
I never bat an eyelid to a topless person on a beach (and nor do my family) but, a naked person with their bum, willy and everything hanging out, i would think was gross (and not because i would in anyway think they were being sexy)!!

Rather than thousands of people of covering themselves up because you are a prude, have you considered going to one of the many countries where it's illegal to go topless?

Although I do recall cleavage is meant to attract men because it reminds them of a woman's 'rear'. Obviously you'd need a decent pair to illicit that image

You haven’t said where you stand on moobs? Last time I visited Cyprus it was fat t-shirtless man galore. I expect you’ve probably been ogling them, haven’t you - you filthy beast?

And FYI - There are many, many men who are blaze about someone being topless/ breasts!

No, claiming sarcasm doesn't work. You asked why women would say X but also Y. When they respond that they never said X, you can't suddenly claim that you were being sarcastic about them saying X and of course they didn't say X. If they never said X, then what are you actually asking?

What you mean is: if you say Y, doesn't that mean X? And the answer is no. You can be against men openly perving and harassing girls and women, while not having a problem with topless sunbathing. It's quite amazing that anyone shouldn't realise what different things those are.

And several people have addressed it, including me. You're just ignoring it ("you missed the point"/"I was being sarcastic"). There's nothing like a genuinely confused person asking genuine questions for ignoring the answers...

Actually I would settle for a straightforward answer to the following without outraged posters telling me things that don't answer the question.

Mums are concerned with middle aged men ogle their teenage daughter when they are out and about with them on the high street but are okay when they know men are (discretly hopefully) ogling them on beach topless.

It's an uncomfortable question I get it - only one person has actually tried to answer it. And yes I know some mums might hate their daughters getting looked at and some must be fine with it I guess as that is the only explanation that makes sense to me.

I think that refers back to the 'animal instincts' which i think through evolving we have progressed a bit.

Anyone on the beach that we see - aren't creating any of the 'stereotypical' wonder-bra type model (in fact, the exact opposite)!

We've holidayed in Europe for all our 40 years together. Topless beaches have always been the norm over there. It's accepted socially, and yes, my wife goes topless too, and we also use naturist beaches
If you're offended, don't go? Everything is easily checked out these days.

Imagine, semi naked and naked people actually talking to each other, without judgement? Who'd have thought it?

It happens, all over the world.

I get it OP, this would make me uncomfortable as well. Breasts actually are highly sexualized where I’m from - every man I’ve ever been with have loved mine so they can be sexual objects.

Okay lets just say I am an idiot who hasn't asked the question very well.

So allowing for the fact I'm an idiot what is your answer to my question.

If you are fine with your daughter going topless on the beach and knowing that men will be having a wee ogle from behind their glasses are you also okay with them ogling them on the high street?

I can only assume the mothers that objected to the middle aged men looking at their teen daughters on the high street would also object on the beach.

The ones that are happy for their teen daughters to go topless in front of middle aged men are also happy for middle aged men to check them out on the high street.

There! I've answered my own question.

Case Closed.

Only one poster (who by no surprise was not british) actually took the time to try and give an answer that made sense. Everybody else is too busy being outraged and I never even said my views on topless sunbathing as that was not the issue I was interested in.

And for the last time - yes the OP was unreasonable to go to Cyrus and not realise tons of women would be topless and to go elsewhere if it was a problem for her. See I even agree with most people on this!

Yeah you seem to think me not policing my 15,20 and 22 year old daughters choice of swim wear equates with me being ‘fine’ with men ogling at them - so because some men are vile I shouldn’t what? Buy them wet suits or ban them from the pool/beach?

they can wear what they feel comfortable in and that is fine with me - it’s not giving men permission to behave like pigs

Yeah maybe this is it for me too, mine seem to always be an object of attention from most people, I even have women commenting