Junior doctors offered 22% pay rise

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How and where will the government get the money from I wonder?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjqe82lk5g5o

Medical students should be made to sign a contract to repay a proportion of ther training costs if they work as doctors outside the NHS during their career.It should also be illegal fir them to strike.

Because it fuels inflation!

Yes that'll boost recruitment won't it.....

unbelievable in a sector that really struggles to recruit, people seem to think that making T&C's harsher will improve matters.

Like i said, the net cost to the Government of this settlement is less than £1billion.

Quite why you think an extra £1 billion in the economy "fuels inflation" is a mystery only you could possibly believe.

It’ll come from the 350 million a week Boris told us we spent weekly by being in the EU and would be better spent on the NHS 🙄

How and where from?
From these dumbwits who thought the Comrades were going to protect and work for them.

How is this ok? Nothing to do with doctors, but how can they offer any profession 22%. They do this to anyone who strikes, bus drivers, tube drivers, nhs. And they offer massive increases. It's just wrong. Most ordinary people are grateful for 3%!

No, they're not paid too much. They're some of the cleverest people in the country, doing one of the most essential jobs. They've had years of studying and training. Of course they deserve to be paid more then jobs that don't require that level of qualifications.

Fantastic news.
They deserve every penny and more.
Really pleased for them.

It's not a forgone conclusion that the doctors will accept. It still leaves the newest doctor earning a lot less than their assistants. PAs who have very flimsy training and are supposed to be doctors assistants.

Yes but they earn far more in the long run.

Read the detail. It's not 22%. Will still.leave a first year doctor on £6000 less than a first year PA.

It's not 22%. It's a combination of 4% backdated for 2023-24, 9% for the last financial year, 6% for 2024-25, and a £1000 top up. It averages out to 22% over 2 years.

Good.

When you factor in the amount of training it takes to become a doctor, the debt that is incurred by medical students, and the salary levels, I'm surprised anyone can afford to be a junior doctor. I'd rather fund this that dodgy PPE contracts to the likes of Michelle Mone....

Yes! I've always wanted to reinvent indentured servitude for the modern era!

Doctors are very highly qualified and the responsibility they have is huge dealing with people's lives. They deserve every penny and I am very pleased for them. I hope others on here get behind our doctors and support them. They don't do an ordinary job. There is nothing more important than looking after peoples lives.I'm sure we would all agree that we want our doctors to stay in the profession in this country especially when we or a member of our family are a patient.

Good. Now for nursing & midwifery unions to give themselves a shake and advocate for the same, properly.

That was the inevitable result of all the money being pumped into the economy due to covid and was quickly brought under control.

It was nothing compared to what happened in the 1970s.

Look up stagflation. All the ground work is being put into place for it to return.

Because they've been massively underpaid for years. Nobody should be grateful for 3%, it's nothing after years of pay freezes and pathetic increases that still leave people earning less proportionally than they used to.

Why?! They pay for their degree, they can choose to work wherever they like.

See the National settlements in NHS pay 2013-2024 table and you can see the agreed pay rise % over the last 10 years and you can see a number of years were under 3% which as you say, may likely have been well received https://www.nhsemployers.org/articles/journey-nhs-pay-over-last-decade

This is for agenda for change employees. My understanding is junior doctors have been even worse off. I think it’s fair to see it as pay restoration personally and something does need to happen to reward and retain our desperately needed medical professionals where we have an increased demand and expectation of our health service.

Investing in the NHS is good for the country. Get people well and working.

It seems a lot but it is just catch up really.

Doctors are some of the best qualified and most important people in a civilised modern society and, in absolute terms, they really aren’t that well paid.

Now if you don’t like overpaying people, how about FTSE CEO’s, and this is not based on success, FTSE has not provided a decent return to investors over the last decade.

https://highpaycentre.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Copy-of-CEO-pay-report-2023-1-1.pdf

In 2022 alone, they enjoyed a 16% pay rise to £3.9 million, paid for out of pretty much all pensions.

https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/workforce/gps-most-discontented-among-uk-doctors-gmc-survey-finds/

One of many many surveys and years worth of data showing that GPs are particularly burnt out and unhappy, and who wouldn't be with the general public so often baying for blood and barely valuing them at all? Thankless job, largely.

Are we going to introduce that as a rule for everyone with a degree who chooses to work anywhere other than the public sector? Or is it only medical students who should be considered property of the NHS on completion of their degree?

It was the inevitable result of the incompetent Tory government and their corrupt cronies.