Junior doctors offered 22% pay rise

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How and where will the government get the money from I wonder?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjqe82lk5g5o

I don’t really think it can get much worse than it was.

Oh yes it can. Just watch it happen.

Good news.

Good we need to rebuild the nhs. It was such a state under the Tory’s

It's shocking isn't it.

Male doctors have a lower suicide rate than the general male population. Female doctors slightly higher - being a female nurse is a greater risk factor though. Middle aged men who are unemployed or in low skill,low pay occupations have the highest rates of suicide. This is based on data compiled by Prof Louis Appleby (himself a psychiatrist), lead for the National Suicide Prevention Strategy. It isn't helpful or appropriate to bring suicide into a discussion about pay. I say this a someone who lost a close family member (a doctor btw) to suicide.

Just to reiterate that it is not actually a 22% pay rise - it was 9% last year, onto which another 4% will be back paid. Then 9% pay rise this year. Not 22% up from last year’s pay or last month’s salary.
It is also not inflation linked so will go down again in real terms if another “pay rise” or uplift is not given next year at the rate of inflation. Obviously it will only be a true rise if it goes up above the rate of inflation.

If she doesn’t, she’ll be out of a job. That is quite incentivising for most people.

I'm sure someone with the skills and qualifications to get through a medical degree won't struggle to find work. I have worked with more than one qualified doctor who decided not to practise.

Well yes of course she can leave medicine, but if she wants to stay in, she needs to pass her exams.

Many junior doctors do indeed decide they don’t want to continue, and leave the profession or move overseas. Which is why we have a shortage.

Good - they deserve it.

If you don’t understand how fiscal policy and inflation are linked, look it up.

Spending borrowed money to pay for stuff leading to inflation. When has that ever happened before. Oh wait.

So when Hunt/Sunak were in power, it was all their fault inflation went to over 11% ?

The costs to the treasury for this junior Doc's pay rise is v small and what would be your alternative to this and to the (more expensive) pay review body rises?
.... on going strikes, more staff shortages, longer waiting lists, worse staff moral... all ok by you.

People like you seem to be getting all hung up on a 22% pay rise, over 2 years, without even considering the alternatives but perhaps you ve PHI and don't consider anyone else?

The NHS was only founded because there was an agreement that consultants could continue to offer private work outside of NHS commitments. Otherwise we would never have had the bill for The NHS go through in the first place. See if you can catch a showing of the wonderful Nye at your local cinema if it is still going. It explains the whole background to the NHS.l and explains why your idea is totally opposed to this.

Doctors were totally opposed to the setting up of the NHS.

Good. Doctors are pretty important, don’t you think?

They certainly think they are.

They are. Thanks to their skills I’ve had a bonus 48 years of life and counting. I’m delighted to have a government that’s spending my money responsibly and sensibly at last.

@mm81736 as most doctors will repay over £250,000 of student debt I think they'd be very happy to have their loan written off in return for staying in the NHS. However currently the NHS doesn't have enough jobs for them - will you be sorting that too, so they can stay.

Doctors are important. And they deserve to be able to pay their rent. Not be paid less than before a pandemic during which they risked their lives to save your loved ones.

Want a doctor when you or your kids are ill. Then you'll need to pay for one.

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They wouldn’t be wrong

You sound pretty insecure - most people who are secure in their self worth do not deny the importance of certain professions/jobs in society

My husband is a surgeon, he doesn't seem familiar with the many NHS surgeons saying this. Seems to be en vogue on mumsnet this week to spread rubbish about surgeons.

My son is desperate to be a Dr (he is 15) and absolutely everyone we have spoken to has said don't do it. Ridiculous hrs and rubbish pay for the cost it takes to become a Dr in the first place.

Carpet fitters earn more than Drs. (No offence to carpet fitters it's a skilled job). Family friend owns several flooring businesses and him and his employees make a lot more money than drs.

My son still wants to do it unfortunately but not for the money because it's his dream. Presumably most people need to pay the bills and student loans so the "dream" isn't enough.

Cone off it, that’s a seriously disingenuous comparison. An experienced carpet fitter may earn more than the basic salary of an F1, but I don’t hear of many carpet fitters on the consultant starting salary of c.100k, or are members of excellent final salary pension schemes.

I do agree though that there are easier ways to earn money than becoming a Dr.

None of the one i know or have come into contact with, have had that attitude.
However, i do seem to remember that you have a unique way of rubbing them up the wrong way......

But the bottom line is many Doc's have left the NHS and we have had to try and import many from the developing world to replace them.

Applies equally to other HCPs too.

They've been sorted by last govt

@Everanewbie most current F1s will never become consultants. There are not enough jobs.