Junior doctors offered 22% pay rise

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How and where will the government get the money from I wonder?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjqe82lk5g5o

Higher taxes, lower infrastructure spending, higher inflation, economy in trouble even more than before.

Welcome to the Labour years. Who knew it could get worse than the Tories. We all did. But yet here we are.

Well, we're like a month or so in. I'd probably be tempted to give it a little longer before making a judgment - I realise that some people were never going to be happy with seeing the Tories voted out but I think rushing to a judgment this quickly is a bit hasty.

You can't see a GP because funding has been cut and the only money is ARSS funding, which cannot be used for doctors.
Currently 2,000 GPs are unemployed. They want to work and see patients. But practices can't employ them. PAs yes. Doctors no.

Yet they appear to have settled the doctors strike in 3 weeks.

Theyve been on strike for ever under the last government. Ds trained as a journalist and was interviewing them in 2016.

I don’t really think it can get much worse than it was.

Totally - I accept that e
people have different views but it doesn't strengthen an argument when someone is so hyperbolic in laying into a government who has been in power for such a brief amount of time. It's pretty transparent.

Alexandra2001
How did Hunt fund a £21 billion NI cut? (answer: he didn't fund it)

Funding for Hunt's NI cut discussed here;

Jeremy Hunt has gambled his budget on a £10bn national insurance cut funded by scrapping non-dom rules and other revenue-raising measures that will push taxation to the highest level since the second world war...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/06/budget-2024-jeremy-hunt-announces-2p-cut-in-national-insurance
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/nov/22/autumn-statement-2023-key-points-jeremy-hunt

Alexandra2001
Like i said, the net cost to the Government of this settlement is less than £1billion

Labour's Darren Jones (Chief Secretary to the Treasury) costed the settlement at £8/£9 billion on LBC 10 minutes ago. He didn't mention anything about the net cost.

Don’t be ridiculous. Its not even a month of Labour in the office, there is no sign of doom or infrastructure projects cancellation. If anything it was Tories who underinvested into infrastructure across the board for 14 fucking years

£20b bigger deficit in public finances says otherwise.

Labour can't solve every problem just by throwing money at it.

The blogger links to an economist to prove his point - but the economist has a caveat in his explanation;

"The caveat is, of course, an increase in public expenditure could lead to inflation and public wages are one way public expenditure is increased, but the government could increase wages and cut other parts of the budget."

It's the same deficit as under the Tories. The deficit hasn't shot up by £20 billion over the last month. Apologies if I've misunderstood your point.

So far they've taken a grown up, sober approach. Long way to go but by appointing experts rather than shoehorning MPs into positions, they've got themselves off to a good start. The proof will be in the results. It would be foolish to judge them too much either way at this point. The Tories are going to spend months arguing amongst themselves so that'll help them.

mmm only covers the employee cut not the employer or the 2nd cut....

On the total cost, fullfact said the total net cost for a 35% rise was just over 1 billion, with 75k Doctors, 10 billion seems a bit on the high side...... that would give them a £133k pay rise......

Come Clav, early days but surely you can better......

Funny how a £21 billion cut in un funded NI cuts doesn't cause inflation but a £1billion pay rise will......

How are we worse off ? Tories left the economy in an abysmal mess a month ago.
The markets bounced as soon as that thieving lot got voted out funnily enough.
I guess having no doctors, a burnt out nursing population or a non functioning NHS is far more preferable than paying a bit more in taxes. Typical British way.

Nope, nothing can top that bunch. Oh wait Fuehrer Farage is probably waiting in the wings to solve everything. Right….

Good. Nurses and teachers next please.

We are losing doctors and nurses, going g to work abroad, shortfalls being filled by agencies who charge ££££.

Teachers are leaving in droves as well. I'd pay a small increase in tax to fund pay rises for these workers. Health and social carers as well.

I think Doctors are breaking the Hippocratic oath, in spirit if not in fact.

What would have happened to Medicine if Hippocrates himself had gone on strike, or threatened to leave Ancient Greece for a payrise?

Alexandra2001
mmm only covers the employee cut not the employer or the 2nd cut...

Rachel Reeves supported the cuts to National Insurance at the time!

On the total cost, fullfact said the total net cost for a 35% rise was just over 1 billion

Total cost or per year? You will have to ask Darren Jones why he said the settlement would cost £8/£9 billion.

@OonaStubbs so doctors should not have jobs, not be able to afford rent and be treated like utter crap. Oh and they don't take that oath anymore - read it and understand why.
Want a doctor ? Pay for one.

Exactly this.

It would really help if commentators such as this knew enough to have an opinion based on information, such as the technicalities or rules of GP contracting.

What higher taxes? What higher inflation? Maybe you should stop making stuff up.

Its nonsense like this that has allowed medicine to fall to what it is now. Doctors are human. They need money to live and space to breathe