Junior doctors offered 22% pay rise

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How and where will the government get the money from I wonder?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjqe82lk5g5o

That is private practice. Not the same as NHS Consultant pay. Only a third of Consultants do private practice and only 1 in 10 do a significant enough amount to earn more than £10k. Mostly those with loyalty to the NHS. That generation is retiring. Consultant pay has recently been increased after years of stagnation. It is still more attractive to work in other countries so quite a few have left and are planning to go.

Someone upthread asked if £130k is not enough - that is after 19 years as a Consultant. It is far far lower than comparable professions and than other countries pay. Also lower adjusted for inflation than what it was in 2005 for example

Well done the government, previous offers were ridiculous and if we want to have NHS going thats what needs to be done

They can cut money somewhere else

Don’t be ridiculous

private sector workers have options to find another employer- whereas doctors don’t have several NHS to choose from. Unless we want to stop them all leaving the NHS their pay needed to be increased

im a private worker and I certainly didn’t have 15 years of no wage growth in real terms

Good! We need to retain our talented junior doctors or else we are all screwed.

they’ve announced they are going to make cuts within the NHS. Also scrapping some stupid schemes and cutting back on winter fuel payments to the elderly. It was getting tiring hearing very rich relatives gloat that they were getting money to heat their homes. Definitely should be means tested.

She is mid 20s, too old to be influenced by a mum.

There is a huge shortage of training places, so competition is growing year on year, so there is a choice to be made. Work hard and study hard so you get to the next stage. Or work hard and play hard and take your chances, accepting that you may not be able to find a job as a doctor in the UK.

Peers are already boasting on social media that they are sitting and passing the exams they need to be considered for specialist training. DD plans to take a less demanding job for a year rather than try to burn the candle both ends. Very much the right decision for her. But very likely that this job will have to be in Australia as so many of these junior jobs in the UK are now taken by physician associates.

More money but no jobs is not the solution junior doctors were asking fir.

Totally agree about the winter fuel. There are pensioners living on the estate I live on who are far wealthier than I could dream of being, some with Mercedes on their driveways, two or three holidays abroad a year, getting winter fuel allowance. It was never right. It must go to the most vulnerable.

Well they have a lot of admin because they run their practices as private businesses with NHS contracts and employ their staff etc

and they actively chose it when NHS was created to make more money back then

maybe if they became just NHS staff like other doctors they would be less burnt out

I said public sector! Teachers, armed forces etc are all in the same boat regarding pay freezes.

The government always bends over backwards to appease doctors and it really pisses me off.

I've no problem with doctors being paid a bit more than normal workers but what they get is ridiculous. Most of them come from wealthy families to start with.

Well, if we want things we have to pay for them. The country's in an awful state, there's always peole on here saying nothing works, everything's scruffy etc.
Then they say look at Scandinavia. Everything works there! Er- that's because you have to pay more tax there, then it pays for infrastructure/stuff.

people

How much are doctors paid in Scandinavia compared to the normal working person?

And why do you think that is? Aside from the fact it is probably amongst the hardest professions to get into and requires both exceptional intelligence but also years and years of hard work, the result of not having any doctors is everyone dies. Not exactly on the same level as a compliance officer is it?

Indeed. My private sector pension employer contribution is 5% and mine is 3%.

I earn 28k and am in a regulated profession i needed a post grad for.

So i cannot weep tbh for the very extravagant public sector pensions I hear about.

The problem with this is that the super rich have accountants that can make sure inheritance tax is minimised /zero by moving assets, putting into trusts etc. For example, the Duke of Westminster inherited £9 billion and paid nothing in inheritance tax. The accountants of the super rich know all the legal ways around paying tax.

But people who have worked hard in “normal” jobs, saved up and paid their mortgage off can end up caught in the inheritance tax threshold. They don’t have the expensive accountants to legally avoid tax.

If the super wealthy paid their fare share, the country as a whole would benefit. But they don’t.

Overall, not necessarily in every specific case

Unite, has issued the following statement.

NHS staff have suffered real terms pay cuts and have been neglected for over a decade. Nationally this has created huge recruitment and retention issues, which is a direct result of staff being tens of thousands of pounds worse off in real terms.

The government has rightly recognised this with restorative pay rises for junior doctors.

It’s imperative to ensure that we are not dividing NHS workers and creating even greater differentials between different groups.

The NHS after all is made of many workers in many professional groups; all are vital and all deserve pay restoration.

Health workers being offered less than half of what junior doctors have been offered is not good enough. It will certainly not deal with the recruitment crisis in the NHS.

The PRB process has today been proven to be broken beyond repair. We cannot have a situation where restorative pay awards are offered to some and not to all.

Unite’s health members will have the final say on whether they believe this is an acceptable pay offer through a ballot.

Like I said precedent
Going to be hard to deal with that..

22% of £15.33 makes their new hourly wage £18.40. For saving your life.

A physicians associate, who has to be supervised by a doctor, earns £25 an hour.

Want a doctor ? Pay them.

What does a physician's associate earn after 30 years?

Hard to know as they currently seem to be unregulated- some are earning £90,000+ though. And they have jobs. Lots of doctors unemployed & driving Ubers

Your link says they deported 46 migrants on Wednesday - The Times reported today that 370 migrants arrived by boat on Saturday.

NB The Conservative government signed a new agreement with Vietnam on illegal migration in April this year - just in case Yvette Cooper wants to take all the credit on deportations to Vietnam;
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-signs-new-agreement-with-vietnam-on-illegal-migration

OonaStubbs · Today 17:50
The government always bends over backwards to appease doctors and it really pisses me off.

I've no problem with doctors being paid a bit more than normal workers but what they get is ridiculous. Most of them come from wealthy families to start with.

Think we have a troll or someone trying to bait for a reaction!!

Well the GPs are going to strike according to the BMA because of a contract though.

Will people notice??

So much for economic growth. What a pathetic bunch of morons we have in charge. Even worse than the lot before