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New career working Christmas as single parent

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ItsSpookySeason · 28/07/2024 15:37

I have just finished a nursing degree and I'm waiting on my pin coming through before starting my new job. I've worked hard to get to this point as a mature student but unfortunately during my training my husband divorced me and has now moved to another country with OW.

We have 5 children under 12 who he now sees twice a year. I have managed during my training using paid childcare and have been fortunate that I have a family member who has also helped by looking after my children, but they are now also moving away to start a new job so I will solely be relying on paid childcare.

I am extremely worried about working 12 hour shifts over Christmas - I don't object to working Christmas eve / Christmas day / boxing day at all but I have no idea how I am going to sort childcare. I don't want to raise this as an issue as soon as I start my new job, I don't want to make a bad impression nor do I think I deserve special treatment as a single parent, but none of my childcare providers work Christmas day or boxing day, I have already asked!

How does anyone in a similar situation manage? I was previously self employed, and married, so have never had to worry about this before! Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

OP posts:
1234preg · 28/07/2024 17:37

First off I want to say a massive congratulations! It’s not easy studying with young kids and nevermind as a single mum! Absolutely killing it girl.
have you looked at gingerbread? They are a charity supporting single parents in the UK - they might have some ideas ?

MumChp · 28/07/2024 17:37

Throughthebarricades · 28/07/2024 15:54

How to get flexible working Dirty Mother Pukka with Anna Whitehouse. As The Flexible Working Bill passes through Parliament - to become law in 2024 - Anna sits down with lawyer Daniel Wise to wade through what it means for you. And how to successfully get flex - without losing your job or mind.
So hopefully the OP will be able to request Flexible working under the new law

So no nurses, firefighters or police officers on duty 24/7?

It's not how the future is. Sorry.

MumChp · 28/07/2024 17:38

JenniferBooth · 28/07/2024 15:42

No one will mind you having a Christmas off as long as it isnt every year and you take your turn in other years.

Oh yes all the nurses having a family will mind. Sorry.

sunsetsandboardwalks · 28/07/2024 17:40

MumChp · 28/07/2024 17:37

So no nurses, firefighters or police officers on duty 24/7?

It's not how the future is. Sorry.

It's also not what the new law means - it just changes how you can request it, it doesn't mean you're guaranteed to get it (the same as now, really).

The idea of everyone being entitled to flexible working where they pick and choose their hours and days is lovely, but it just doesn't work in reality.

Lemonade2011 · 28/07/2024 17:41

Oh that’s a tough one op, I’m a nurse ex a police officer so we jiggled for years until we split but I’d worked my job for years and managed to work his days off which was still tricky. I have 4 kids youngest has additional needs so struggleD for childcare. Your ex is a peach isn’t he just leaving you with 5 kids and buggering off abroad. Only thing you can really do is start the job, see how it goes and ask what happens re Christmas. I used to do nightshift Christmas night and/or boxing night so I had days with the kids. But it’s tough op, look for some practise jobs, outpatients, vaccination etc wish you luck and sorry you’re in this position, hope you end up on a nice ward with understanding colleagues

MumChp · 28/07/2024 17:43

Juyjuly32 · 28/07/2024 16:43

Do not join the Bank or agency. There's no work at the minute... and with 5 kids OP likely needs a solid income.

I do the Bank/Agency work. I have no issues with work but it might be because I cover a lot as I trained years ago.
I never work fFridatmys/weekends/holidays because of my family. It's perfect.
I might not be a good way to go as a new nurse.

MumChp · 28/07/2024 17:44

sunsetsandboardwalks · 28/07/2024 17:40

It's also not what the new law means - it just changes how you can request it, it doesn't mean you're guaranteed to get it (the same as now, really).

The idea of everyone being entitled to flexible working where they pick and choose their hours and days is lovely, but it just doesn't work in reality.

I know.
It will mean nothing for a lot of people on 24/7 shifts. Not at all.

MumChp · 28/07/2024 17:46

ItsSpookySeason · 28/07/2024 16:49

Thanks for the replies!

Working elsewhere isn't really an option right now as in my trust new band 5s must work on a ward to gain experience.

My eldest is 12, and has additional needs so definitely not able to be left with his siblings!

My ex husband will not see the children at Christmas, he has made it very clear that he will visit twice a year - once in February and once in August.

For all those asking - school holidays, night shifts ect are all covered using a combination of holiday clubs, nurseries and a childminder local to me who does overnight care, so none of those are an issue, it's only Christmas that is going to be a problem.

You can find a paid babysitter. A lot of nurses I have worked with over the years in dofferent wards did this at Christmas (and other days). No fun for you but it can be done.

sunsetsandboardwalks · 28/07/2024 17:52

MumChp · 28/07/2024 17:44

I know.
It will mean nothing for a lot of people on 24/7 shifts. Not at all.

It won't mean a thing for most industries really - flexi working only really suits office based roles where you don't need to be present or on-site at set times in order to do your job.

I mean, can you imagine if all emergency workers decided they didn't want to do weekends anymore? Or if supermarket workers decided they all wanted mornings off, or to close at 2pm so they could pick their kids up from school?

It just won't work. It's a nice idea, but it won't work.

MumChp · 28/07/2024 17:55

sunsetsandboardwalks · 28/07/2024 17:52

It won't mean a thing for most industries really - flexi working only really suits office based roles where you don't need to be present or on-site at set times in order to do your job.

I mean, can you imagine if all emergency workers decided they didn't want to do weekends anymore? Or if supermarket workers decided they all wanted mornings off, or to close at 2pm so they could pick their kids up from school?

It just won't work. It's a nice idea, but it won't work.

It's BS tbh for a lot of people.

HollyKnight · 28/07/2024 17:55

She's a newly qualified nurse. She is limited in where she can work at the moment because she needs to go through preceptorship and get IV training n all that. Telling her to join the Bank or an agency or a specialist/specific type of nursing is pointless. Ward work is the most common and easiest/fastest way to get these skills and training. She will be in a better position to be more picky in a year.

SevernWonders · 28/07/2024 18:00

In every job that I have had, any holiday that I had already booked prior to starting, was always honoured so that will hopefully sort you for this year, but I think that would immediately mean that you would be expected to work next Christmas, but does give you longer to arrange something.

JenniferBooth · 28/07/2024 18:04

MumChp · 28/07/2024 17:38

Oh yes all the nurses having a family will mind. Sorry.

Edited

while the child free will just be expected to suck it up

Andwegoroundagain · 28/07/2024 18:04

Would your sister consider visiting for Xmas ? Or new years ? So then she could spend the day with the kids?
Failing that do you have the room for an aupair?

MumChp · 28/07/2024 18:10

JenniferBooth · 28/07/2024 18:04

while the child free will just be expected to suck it up

Not the trusts I have worked for. People have had the same rights on rota for the sh* t shifts no matter of children or not.

Quite a few of child free nurses did Christmas (and the other sh*t days) for the extra money.

DeathNote11 · 28/07/2024 18:17

MumChp · 28/07/2024 17:37

So no nurses, firefighters or police officers on duty 24/7?

It's not how the future is. Sorry.

It means that employers would need to offer an incentive to work this day that's equal to the value (& demand) people place on it. That value is high, & employers have got away for too long expecting people to give up their Christmas day for peanuts. Everyone has a price.

Throughthebarricades · 28/07/2024 18:18

Ivehearditbothways · 28/07/2024 16:26

It still isn’t written into law. The act simply makes changes to the rights to requests it, you now need to be consulted before it can be refused and they need to give evidence for their refusal rather than just saying no for business reasons. And they have to make the decision faster and you don’t need to have worked there for a minimum term or whatever it was before, 26 weeks I think.

The act does not provide a new law guaranteeing anyone flexible working. You should understand that before you start telling people they are entitled to flexible working.

Employers can still say no for lots of reasons;
The reasons are:

  • Burden of additional costs
  • Detrimental effect on the business’ ability to meet customer demand
  • Detrimental impact on quality and performance
  • Unable to reorganise work among existing staff
  • Unable to recruit more staff
  • Insufficient work during the periods the employee wishes to work
  • Planned structural changes.

Very easy in an NHS ward to say that they cannot shift the burden of night shift and Xmas shifts onto other staff.

Ah right I miss understood her post, she was saying.it was law and everyone had the right to be heard about it rather than its still the.same, my mistake

MumChp · 28/07/2024 18:19

DeathNote11 · 28/07/2024 18:17

It means that employers would need to offer an incentive to work this day that's equal to the value (& demand) people place on it. That value is high, & employers have got away for too long expecting people to give up their Christmas day for peanuts. Everyone has a price.

It won't change a thing.

Crystalselfcare · 28/07/2024 18:26

Congratulations, what a massive achievement. So sorry to hear about ex DH. What a scumbag.

I don’t want to sound negative. I just do not know how you are going to make it work, with 5 under 12 years of age, one having additional needs. With limited support around you.

These children hardly see their dad due to his own fault but it sounds like they will hardly now see their mum either whilst you work shifts and are now worrying about it being over Christmas too. I would put myself in my children’s shoes and think about that. I know you need to work to earn a living and this is just my opinion, I know others may say I’m completely wrong. Just feel a bit bad that they will be spending their time with baby sitters, childminders and in holiday clubs and missing out on time with you.

sunsetsandboardwalks · 28/07/2024 18:31

DeathNote11 · 28/07/2024 18:17

It means that employers would need to offer an incentive to work this day that's equal to the value (& demand) people place on it. That value is high, & employers have got away for too long expecting people to give up their Christmas day for peanuts. Everyone has a price.

I think you're incredibly naive if you think it will make any kind of difference in the real world.

People can request what they like, they can demand whatever pay they like, but they're not entitled to it by any means - the new law doesn't change any of that.

Blondeshavemorefun · 28/07/2024 18:45

Well done and be proud you have achieved this with 5kids and doing it alone

Paid child age via a nanny is prob your only choice

I'm a mn. I don't work Xmas day but I do work Boxing Day night for double pay

And seems many of my clients happy to pay it as I've worked 26/12 for the last 5/6yrs

So there are nannies who will work but it will obv cost you a lot !!!

Prob way more than you are being paid

Not sure if uou are on uc - but they pay towards childcare costs - not sure if capped at 2 - but will get some money towards childcare

rwalker · 28/07/2024 18:49

Throughthebarricades · 28/07/2024 15:54

How to get flexible working Dirty Mother Pukka with Anna Whitehouse. As The Flexible Working Bill passes through Parliament - to become law in 2024 - Anna sits down with lawyer Daniel Wise to wade through what it means for you. And how to successfully get flex - without losing your job or mind.
So hopefully the OP will be able to request Flexible working under the new law

You gave the right to request
but just because you request it doesn’t n it granted

but also it’s the impacts on others is it fair that someone has to work Christmas because someone because kids

Toddlerteaplease · 28/07/2024 18:50

Many wards don't do long shifts over Christmas. We certainly don't.

DamnUserName21 · 28/07/2024 18:54

Well done, OP.
I'd look at community or practice nursing.
Depending on your area, they do take newly qualifieds.
I went into nursing home care as a nqn and negotiated fixed shifts (which did not fall on Xmas my first few years there.)

Pleaseleavemealone0 · 28/07/2024 19:00

My husband left me as a newly qualified nurse and pregnant so I understand. Ex never saw dc so it was me and payed childcare. I did community nursing and ended up staying longer than I should because it worked with childcare/had an understanding team. I compromised with my team and worked extra 'other' bank holidays and weekends over the year. I also then moved into continuing health care which was Monday to Friday and no bank holidays. My colleague moved into school nursing for similar reasons.
My career progress was slowed down but it was the only way I could actually work.