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To still be angry at my parents for this?

206 replies

ThatPeachSnake · 27/07/2024 20:44

I had a horrific childhood. My parents were terribly unhappy together and got divorced when I was young. My dad lost all our money and we were poor. This spiralled, long divorce and my mum having horrific mental health issues, which was all taken out on me.

I did well and school and went to uni. I was a good child and did everything ‘by the book’. I never got in trouble or was any trouble to my parents - they often tell me that. In comparison to my sister, who is into drugs, doesn’t work and still lives at home.

when I finished uni, I had planned to get a job straight away in my career field, which was harder than I had realised. It took me about 6 months - but in the meantime, I got myself a job in a supermarket and stayed in my uni town in cheap accommodation until I could move on.

about 4 months in, I was asked to leave my accommodation. I had not signed a contract and it was a friend of a friends place (which obviously was a stupid move from me!). Essentially, I was made homeless overnight. Since I had no ties to my uni town, I reached out to my parents and asked either of them if I could come home and stay with them for a bit whilst I got my real job. I had no intention of staying there and they knew that. I was fiercely determined to move to London. However, in the meantime, I would have paid rent and got a job in my hometown to support myself whilst I was looking for my ‘career’ job. I was just scared and had no where to live and needed my parents. I sobbed down the phone to them for days begging for them to have me.

both said no and I‘m not really sure why. I was homeless and sofa surfing for the next few months until I was offered a job in London.

since then, I have done well for myself and have kind of brushed over the fact my parents did that. I could never ever do that to my child. After all this time, it is difficult to bring up to ask them why. I’m just so angry looking back at it. AIBU?

OP posts:
AtlanticMum · 28/07/2024 17:55

i don’t blame your anger with them OP. You had a rightful expectation of support and it wasn’t there and you have a fairly natural trauma or anxiety to process from back then. Have experienced similar and it is a difficult but worthwhile process to have some help to understand and distance yourself from those feelings if they are simmering away underneath. Best of luck. You deserve it!

Retiredfromearlyyears · 28/07/2024 18:36

Ahhh! Poor darling. I'm so glad you are doing well now and have made a life for yourself. I'm sorry your parents were too selfish and blinkered to care more about you than theirselves. Our daughter is in her 30's and a wife and mum herself now,but I would still walk on broken glass to be there for her any time she needed me. I agree with the previous poster that you need to speak to a therapist about your experience growing up. I would consider going low contact with your parents meantime. You have to think of your own mental health. Practice lots of self care. I hope you have only happiness in your life from now on. You deserve it.

Schmellywelly · 28/07/2024 18:47

Op I also had a horrific upbringing and although I still maintain a relationship with my DPs , It is very much at arms length and LC (sometimes NC when it gets too much and their behaviour triggers my PTSD).

I eventually had a breakdown a few years ago which is hands down the hardest thing I've ever gone through and I have dealt with a lot in my life. Having just papered over the cracks for so many years and not actually processing anything traumatic, I was diagnosed with Complex PTSD and was refered for talking therapy. I chose High Intenisty CBT and It was hard but really did me a lot of good and I would heartily recommend it to you. It really helped me process the anger and resentment I felt (and still feel) and helped me understand that it was an abusive childhood which made me that feel validated to feel as angry as I did.

It also helped me see the importance of positive relationships as an adult and being the one to stop the cycle of abuse now I'm a parent (both my DPs had horrific childhoods too as likely theor parents before them and on it goes ). I really hope you feel able to engage in something similar, you may find it really helps you moving forward. You can self refer for Talking Therapies, our local one is via an online form, if you google talking therapies in your area details should come up.

If you dont feel able to go to therapy, just know that by identifying abusive behaviour and ensuring you don't carry it on with your own children, you are breaking that cycle and that is the best gift you can give your children.

ladydoe · 28/07/2024 18:54

For your own sanity amd to have the life you deserve, cut them out of your life totally. Blood does not make family

calmandcaffeinated · 28/07/2024 18:58

OP, this sounds so similar to my own family set up. I was half way through a training course in London and had a mental health crisis. Asked if I could come home, there was no home to come home to, so I ended up nearly committing suicide while trying to get through. I remember this well and went NC with my dad (mum really had no space but said I could stay if I really needed to- she was actually made homeless 4 months before so not in a position to put me up). My dad ended up in a really hard position recently and I had absolutely no sympathy and never will, make your own bed and all that. I have a lovely life now with husband and DS and I wouldn't change it, but my god it would have been easier if I had family to help.

Duckswaddle · 28/07/2024 19:11

I have 2 children and I can say that once you recognise your own poor upbringing, you break the cycle. You will never be the same as them or treat your children the way you were treated.
I really learned how not to parent - I tell my kids I love them all the time, turn up for things, tell them how clever/beautiful/smart/lovely they are, give them hugs and kisses, and admit my mistakes when I make them.

TorroFerney · 28/07/2024 19:21

dollopz · 27/07/2024 21:02

Sounds like they are very unsupportive. Is it worth having a calm discussion about why.

Well what reasonable reason could there be? I think there will be minimising and gaslighting to be honest rather than some epiphany from them.

WhiteJasmin · 28/07/2024 19:34

Sorry for your situation OP

Reading all your comments your parents sound dysfunctional, toxic and lacking empathy. The sad reality is not everyone who are parents should be parents and those who really should be parents aren't given the opportunity to be one.

I understand you are stuck at the stage of wanting validation from your parents. It's probably the way you were conditioned as a child. But you probably need to hear from someone on the outside that they don't deserve that from you.

For the sake of your own mental health and well being, I would probably do something along the lines of:

  1. Booking an appointment with a therapist.
  2. Prepare yourself mentally and emotionally to go no contact with your parents/sister. They are not there for you in time of need in the past, they won't be there for you in the future. By staying in contact with them only prolongs the pain of being disappointed by them and they are no good role model either for future children. As time goes on, they will start asking more of you. Your money, your time (elderly care) and even extra responsibility if your sister ends up accidentally pregnant. These kinds of people only know how to take and not give back so it's not worth holding onto them just because of "blood". You will be a much freer person without this baggage and forge stronger bonds with those who truly love and care about you.
  3. Tell your grandparents how you feel and your plans to emotionally disconnect with your parents. If they are understanding they will recognise your needs and respect the boundaries for family events.

Don't worry about how your mum's behaviour will impact your parenting. Everyone has traits of their parents they don't want to copy. Yours will be having an open door policy to your kids so they feel you are their safe haven. Often people who have it the worst turn out to be the best parents because they learn what not to do.

Good luck on your journey to the new better version of you.

MarvellousMonsters · 28/07/2024 20:23

Bigearringsbigsmile · 27/07/2024 20:47

Yanbu
Home will always be home for my children regardless of how old they are
I have adult children and I cannot fathom doing this to them

Same, even if we have to pull out the sofa bed my children will always have a roof over their heads. I'm so sorry that you have had to deal with this

Sakuem · 28/07/2024 20:30

ThatPeachSnake · 27/07/2024 21:22

I have a feeling that my mum just could not be bothered to get the spare bedroom that was full of crap cleared out for me. But I told her I was happy to sleep on the sofa or floor. So then I think it was because she’s so precious about certain things and didn’t want me on her sofa or floor.

I have a feeling my dad wanted to teach me a lesson. I don’t think he believed school and uni was ‘real life’ and I think he thought I needed a wake up call.

just my guess.

This is shocking. You were made homeless, for all they know, anything could've happened to you sleeping in the streets in all weathers. Thank goodness you had (I assume friends') sofas to sleep on, though would've been very unsettling not having stable accommodation, but shocking that they could abandon their child in a time of need.
I feel so sad and upset on your behalf.
Good for you for achieving so much on your own hard work, though you shouldn't have had to struggle so much without their support. It sounds like you've suffered trauma from years of emotional and physical neglect. I agree that it might be theraputic to talk to someone who can give you counselling.
xx

Marine30 · 28/07/2024 20:35

This is an awfully sad story that will probably never leave you. I wonder if, as other posters have mentioned, you would consider counselling.
This could be the best way to move on. You’re done amazingly well to get away and do so well for yourself. Counselling could help to mitigate the long term effects of all you’ve been through - just in case they come back and blindside you one day. Treat yourself kindly in a way your parents never did.

Holibobsjoy · 28/07/2024 21:31

My partners parents kicked them out after uni. They were back about 2 weeks and were told they had to move out they had plans for the bedroom and it wasn't working. They were given a lone of enough for deposit to buy a small flat in the town and left to it. We paid it back as soon as possible because we didn't want it sitting over our heads and as soon as we did the flood gates opened and they started asking us for money!

They probably owe us about 30k now and we now say no to any request. We haven't had a holiday for 10 years because the holiday fund keeps being taken by them. The money we did lend was because they were supposedly loosing the house, had bailifs and the car had broken and they need a new one. We found out they were all fictional and they were just trying to milk us dry. I have gone NC now and my partner is close to going the same way unfortunately the kids want yo see them occasionally even if their grandparents never bother with them!

We don't choose our parents but we do choose how we parent. I can imagine that you would be a wonderful caring and thoughtful parent @ThatPeachSnake

Bushmillsbabe · 28/07/2024 21:55

Thats awful. I'm so sorry this hapenned to you, and done on acheiving a successful independent life. My feeling is you need some sort of closure from them as to why they did this, and an apology, but fear you will never get this. If they were the type to behave like this, then it's unlikely they will have the conscience to say sorry.

My Dad went through very similar, kicked out and not allowed to come back, his brother was the golden child for no known reason, he emigrated and my Dad was left caring for them in their old age.

I hope you get the answers you are looking for x

Justrestingmyeyes1 · 28/07/2024 22:10

Please don’t feel guilty. You did nothing wrong. Your parents sound horrific. Lots of people won’t understand why you still have a relationship with them but I understand how hard it is to walk away. My mother was not a good mother to me. She was physically and emotionally abusive and we had a very strained relationship. for a few years in my early 20s we didn’t see each other but as soon as I found out I was pregnant with my first child, she was the person I told first. Still not sure why. She became a totally different woman once her grandchild was born and was the best grandmother to him and the others who arrived after him. I have never
forgotten how she treated me but I made the decision to forgive.
I could not imagine allowing my children to be homeless. My home will
always be their home and they wouldn’t even have to ask permission to come back. They know they can, and have at different points, just arrive and let themselves in with the keys they still have.
You have made a success of your life and you know you did it in spite of them. Be proud!

Toptops · 28/07/2024 23:05

Your parents didn't and don't deserve you.
You are a strong and awesome woman to overcome your upbringing.
Don't let it define you going forward though. You need to work through it with therapy.
Good luck

Ariana12 · 28/07/2024 23:23

Oh gosh reading your messages shows the depth of hurt you are feeling. It clearly matters to you to have them in your life and so you naturally want to deal with this huge issue. I think it's going to be really hard to get them to engage properly with you and they may just shut down like they did when you asked for help. So you need to decide what you you'd like as an outcome. In your shoes I'd look after myself a lot and get my own head really clear before even trying to tackle them. And I think that means getting help like through counselling or CBT so you can think about consequences. They may get angry and defensive and you need strategies for coping. Good luck

imfae · 29/07/2024 01:03

I am so sorry to the Op and others who have been so badly let down by their parents . I think some will try and excuse some of these parents by saying they were poorly parented themselves , were young , had poor mental health etc .

I do think if they are old enough to have children they should do their best to put their children first and prioritise their children and not themselves . Sadly there are many people who cannot do so .

I think it is amazing that you have done so well in life despite the poor support you received from them .

You have enough insight to know that they let you down when you needed them most . I think that you will make a great parent when the time comes as you will know what not to do , as well as what to do .

I think that you understandably feel guilt when you think of cutting them out of your life as you care about others . I think therapy would help you unpick the toxic nature of your parents and how you could try and either cut them out of their lives or at the very least go very low contact . What does the relationship with them provide you other than a feeling of obligation ? They have shown you their repeated actings that they will not be there for you .

I am not sure what ages they are & if they have any health conditions . As they get older they get they will perhaps seek you out more and expect you to support them . I think for this reason you should try and distance yourself from them as much as you can now .

I think you need to prioritise the relationships you currently have that are loving and supportive ; with your husband , your in laws etc .

The very best of luck . FlowersFlowersFlowers

iamtheblcksheep · 29/07/2024 02:13

Good god. This is one of the saddest things I’ve ever read.

You need some counselling my darling. You also need to cut ties with these horrible people.

I hope you get the closure you need

SwingTheMonkey · 29/07/2024 03:10

I’m so sorry that happened to you, it wasn’t ok. My own children are welcome to come home at any point in their lives, if they need to, and that’s the way it should be.

Echoing the above about therapy. This will continue to eat you up and you don’t deserve to carry this with you any longer.

EverybodyWantsToRuleTheWorld · 29/07/2024 04:49

Sorry OP. I had parents kind of like this too. Mother angry, abusive and cruel alternating with sweet as pie so you never knew what you were getting (diagnosed later in life with BPD). Father depressed, uninterested in kids enabled and supported mums abuse. Constant fighting between them and mum used to use us kids as pawns to get her own way by terrifying us and having us begging our dad (not to make us sleep on the street etc because he had fallen out with mum and so she told us we would have to leave)

Anyhoo - Growing up was told constantly what a burden I was, that my dad wanted me aborted (he did) and what a great mother she was. At uni I stayed home for a year and they took £15 for digs out of the £30 I had weekly. This did not include lunch and I remember I used to have home made sarnie (paid by me) with no drink because I couldn't afford it. Mum didn't work bar some cleaning 2-4 hours per week but took that £15 because she needed the money. (why she couldn't get a job was a mystery and not to be questioned). I was 16 at this time (first year at uni). After I had paid train fares, books, toiletries, other essentials I literally had no money and poor boyfriend who was older used to buy me food and pay for all our going out.

After I left home I was not allowed to stay over when I visited. So I would drive 1.5 hours to their house but was not allowed to stay overnight in their spare room so I always had to drive home again the same day.

Once my dog got dirty at the park enroute to their house so they refused me entry. Not joking. So i had to turn round and drive all the way back thirsty and needing the loo. The dog was just a bit mucky, nothing too bad and their house was by no means a showpiece.

Once they got sick and old and needed help they were suddenly begging me to stay at their house!

They did help me financially in later life - not really sure why after a lifetime of being mean financially they decided to help. The nice part of me thinks perhaps they had more cash now but the cynical part of me thinks they were priming me to look after them in old age (which I did).

My dad would pay me to stay away from them and would usually discourage me if I said I was going to come and visit. Pathetic little me trying to win my dads love, approval, acceptance even though he was always completely disinterested and did his best to have nothing to do with me.

You just grow up with a whole host of mental health problems, a huge problem with insecurity and lack of trust and always thinking the worst of people. You also start off on the back foot in so many ways over kids who have loving, supportive, kind and respectful parents. Like you have been too busy surviving and so haven't picked up good skills in other areas.

I am literally shocked when I see how some parents treat their children ie with kindness and respect and making sure they always know how welcome they are and that they can always come 'home'.

I studied my arse off at uni to try to be independent from them asap but it was not till later life that I realised how messed up I was because of them.

Big hugs OP - I completely understand how scary and terrifying it is when our parents are not parents but a fucking disgrace. You feel very alone, very vunerable and like a misfit because nobody elses parents seem to be like this.
I used to feel very embarrased of my family and make up an alternative version of them to the outside world.

P.S. When i was 19 and living 500 miles away I got summoned back home because my mum was depressed and in my dads words 'you have to come home and fix her'. Which I did. Took her out, listened to her woes, spent money on her and when she felt better I went back to where I lived. I was allowed to stay at their house mind you on that occassion. It was my job to make sure my mum was ok (I was doing it from about age 6) and deal with her moods, anger, outbursts.

I never had kids of my own but my dog lives the life of furry royalty and is spoilt rotten. He's living the life I wanted!!

ClonedSquare · 29/07/2024 05:35

YANBU in the slightest. You were literally homeless and they didn't even let you pay rent to sleep on the sofa.

I can (almost) understand not letting an adult child move back in if they have other options, although I'd never personally refuse. But when the alternative is being homeless and sofa surfing, I can't fathom a parent who wouldn't let their child at least come home and sleep on a mattress on the floor. Even in the most cramped accommodation, leaving your child homeless is despicable. Especially for a female child, who is even more vulnerable in that situation.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 29/07/2024 05:39

ClonedSquare · 29/07/2024 05:35

YANBU in the slightest. You were literally homeless and they didn't even let you pay rent to sleep on the sofa.

I can (almost) understand not letting an adult child move back in if they have other options, although I'd never personally refuse. But when the alternative is being homeless and sofa surfing, I can't fathom a parent who wouldn't let their child at least come home and sleep on a mattress on the floor. Even in the most cramped accommodation, leaving your child homeless is despicable. Especially for a female child, who is even more vulnerable in that situation.

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I simply can't fathom why they did that. To not even umm and ahh about it. Just a flat out refusal is perverse.

BlastedPimples · 29/07/2024 06:32

Awful. Just awful.

You are your own rock. You have come through this and you're amazing. Resilient. Self reliant. Strong.

But that hurt and what they did by not offering you a port in the storm is unforgivable.

I would cut contact.

Mumof2heroes · 29/07/2024 09:00

icecrream · 27/07/2024 21:10

So where was all the sobbing? You were mortified to ask why, but weren’t mortified to beg?

Well you really are a dream aren't you 🙄

Growlybear83 · 29/07/2024 09:40

I'm so sorry to read this thread, and a bit shocked that parents could behave like that. I dont know anyone who would see one of their children be homeless.

Like many young people, my daughter was very challenging in her teens, and had a very different lifestyle and outlook to us in her teens, 20s, and now she's in her 30s, but there was never a time when she wasn't welcomed back with open arms when she needed somewhere to live for days, weeks, or months. She is our daughter, we made the decision to bring her into the world, and we love her unconditionally. She and her husband had been living overseas for several years and for various reasons wanted to relocate - she asked in March of this year if they could move in with us for a few months and there was never a question of whether or not this was ok. I cleared out my home office, which is at the back of the house, so thst they could have more privacy, bought a new bed etc, and my daughter has been here ever since, with her husband for part of that time. My husband and I have got quite set in our ways and enjoy having the house to ourselves, but it never occurred to me not to welcome her back with open arms. This is her home as well as ours and will always be so while we are alive.

I can't imagine how hurt you must feel, OP, and it's so sad to read some of the other experiences. There is nothing that can justify parents behaving like that. I always feel that children should never stop contact with their parents, but your experience has made me think a bit differently. I don't know how you put something like this behind you, but I really wish you peace and happiness in your life.