To have allowed my dc watch the Olympic opening ceremony?

[Creepingivy]

I was shocked at the library scene leading to a threesome.

The mocking of Christians in the last supper scene.

The feminization of males & the sheer number of transvestites on parade. And a child thrown in the midst of them.

This is a sporting event, why the need to have it so highly sexulaised? My dc were thankfully howling with laughter at parts "the smurf man" singing (complete with his painted bulge) had us all in stitches.

I feel there was a social conditioning agenda to the opening ceremony & it was completely inappropriate given that it is for family viewing. Sexulaised behaviour should not be displayed to children.

I am perfectly entitled to my opinion. I am also delighted about what a diplomatic disaster this has turned into for the French.
Also as a Christian I will not be accepting their apology. They deserve every single bit of backlash they are receiving.
On the plus side now the whole world has seen first hand the woke agenda that certain sectors are trying to normalise. The push back will be immense.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/article/2024/jul/28/paris-olympics-organisers-apologise-to-christians-for-last-supper-parody

Are you capable of expressing anything more nuanced in terms of opinion? And maybe addressing the thing about the actual child rapist?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/olympics/article-13677879/An-Olympic-balls-Eagle-eyed-viewers-spot-performers-TESTICLE-hanging-opening-ceremony-Paris-2024-dancer-suffers-x-rated-wardrobe-malfunction.html?ito=social-facebook_Australia&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2ERzpxztpgtQYvaK2cvZFbrGXUUnHcfhkD65E-qvpGLxNfTcx-Gt-2gSA_aem_8Gvw-yQtunJ8LCurT4_bIg

There happened to be a child right next to this man in tights & knickers at the time of his wardrobe malfunction. That child should not have been in the midst of transvestites in such a bizarre environment. I hope safeguarding are investigating. Why was the child needed in the scene? Who seemed it appropriate? The environment was no place for a child especially when placed beside the barechested man with a face full of make up in tights & knickers. Lo & behold he has a "malfunction". Not a good look right beside a child. Own goal for the woke agenda. This has all backfired so spectacularly 😁

And a prime example of why men, cisgender men,

Men. "Cisgender" isn't a meaningful category, because "trans men" are women.

I disagree about it not being meaningful. Having wording for what people were born as, or identified as at birth is helpful. Saying things like “men” “women” and “biological women” is actually more confusing because intersex people exist. Using cisgender isn’t just to help in situations where someone is trans

It's not helpful. "Cisgender" only makes sense when you believe a woman can be a man (or a man a woman). It's not a belief I share, or any other people.

Many, not any.

People with disorders of sex development exist, of both sexes, yes.

There are two sexes male & female. Always has & always will be.
I think this Olympic ceremony has really opened the discussion up & shocked the world into how harmful the "no debate" movement was in the past.

"Men", who are regular men and men who identify as women, commit most violent crime, especially sexual crime. Women, including "trans men" do not. That's why your category error isn't helpful.

I referred to intersex people, which is when babies are born with both male and female chromosomes or reproductive systems or genitals. A doctor has to decide if they are more make of female. That has nothing to do with trans people, which is why I brought it up specifically as an example of why cisgender can be a useful term.

"Intersex" is a name given to people with disorders of sex development.

The meaningless in-group label "cisgender" has zero relevance to people with disorders/differences of sex development.

100%. If there is a disorder with sex development the person is referred to as intersex.
The world is made up of male born & female born. Changing sex is impossible.

But then if you’re intersex, you don’t by definition fit into either category of male or female, that’s the point. Someone decides for you at birth.

Don't be silly.

People with disorders of sex development are male or they are female, however ambiguous it might appear to the observer.

"Intersex" is an activist term. They have a medical condition, they are nothing to do with "trans".

@HolyGround13 well job done then. I'm sure the medical professionals who deal with such cases can make an educated decision based on scans of internal reproductive organs etc.
Males & females have completely different reproductive organs both internally and externally which is why a male will never be a female & vice versa. It's biologically impossible!

No human "true hermaphrodite" with two sets of functional gonads has ever been discovered.

@HolyGround13 you asked me a question upthread which I replied to. Do you think this is appropriate?!

Intersex people might have different internal and external sex organs, they often do. So if they are assigned one way at birth, they may feel differently later on when they suddenly start having periods or growing facial hair because they have excess testosterone.

@Ereshkigalangcleg I’m not saying intersex people have anything to do with the trans community, but I’m trying to mention that there is biology outside a gender binary. Drag queens are also unrelated to trans people, but OP is mentioning trans people a lot.

I think people are capable of having subtle discussions about feminism and trans activism without it degenerating, but Mumsnet probably isn’t the best forum. I suppose I wanted to gently engage without being aggressive, as OP has referred repeatedly to a “woke agenda” and it’s a delicate subject.

I worry about child safeguarding frequently, as it comes up in my job. I also worry about violence against women and girls. I also worry for trans people and the rates of violence and suicide in their community. We can care about all these people without lobbing insults. Trans people aren’t trying to hurt you. They are mostly just trying to live their lives, see some people who look like them on tv, and pee in peace.

but I’m trying to mention that there is biology outside a gender binary.

"Gender" is sex role stereotypes, the binary is biological sex.

If you are referring to me the only people I am referring to are the transvestites in the Olympic sermony, I'm not talking about transgender as there are only two sexes male & female.
I am not ignorant enough to speculate on the transvestites preferred pronouns. At face value they are men dressed as women which the Oxford dictionary defines as a transvestite.

@HolyGround13

Don't presume to force team me into your ideological beliefs about "gender". Men do not belong in women's spaces, it's not a trans thing, it's a man thing. Statistically men are a risk to women. And your twee platitudes also ignore that it's an issue of privacy and dignity for women.