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AccidentallyWesAnderson · 26/07/2024 13:57

LBFseBrom · 26/07/2024 13:53

A four year sentence is far too harsh.

All crimes carry a maximum sentence. I'm sure in this instance the maximum for what they were convicted of was 10 years so she got off lightly. Maybe she should've researched this more before committing the crimes she did.

If you think the sentence for a particular crime is 'harsh' then take that up with the sentencing council.

JudgeJ · 26/07/2024 13:57

MenopauseSucks · 26/07/2024 13:37

Being silly here so don't flame me...

How about we blockade the church or venue where the wedding is being held?

I'm sure both families & their guests will understand that they are unable to reach the ceremony due to our peaceful protest.

Put my name down, I can bring orange stuff to throw.

Zone2NorthLondon · 26/07/2024 13:57

IllMetByMoonlight · 26/07/2024 13:53

Oh my days, this thread is rife with a kind of weird delighting in making shit up about someone nobody actually knows and extrapolating on details to get in a lather about.

@User8646382 for instance: "See, this is what happens when people don’t have any real worries in life. They get bored and have to invent them."

I'd argue that the climate emergency is about as real a worry as they come!? It is unfolding, in real time, in real places, to real people, as we speak and the real privilege is being able to ‐for now‐ not give a shit and carry on, business as usual, as many posters on the JSO related threads of the last few days. We, through no merit other than the luck of our birth, live in one of the places on the planet where the changes in the climate are yet to be experienced fully. Bully for us. Some, like Cressida, are able to hold hard and uncomfortable truths about how the lifestyle choices of citizens of Western growth economies impact the lives of those in other parts of the world whose carbon impact is negligible, and attempt to effect change.

Ditto lots of chat in the "her posh mates", "privately educated" inverted snobbery vein. What is wrong with people, when we're more irritated by a 22-year old making a life-changing decision and facing the consequences thereof, than the fact that the climate is changing with irrevocable impact on the natural world and all the beings who depend on it, and that fossil fuel giants are continuing to rake it in and dangerously and cynically impact government policy for their own gain, gambling with our children's futures. That's the real class (and race) issue to unpick, not Cressida's Herefordshire upbringing. Who's the bigger crook?

Edited

Issue to unpick is with her advantages and clear intelligence and probably verbally fluent she chose inappropriate direct action that depletes public support for cause and is actually counterproductive. She made this all about her, her galloping entitlement, her misplaced fervour and urgency. Her disregard for others. If the real issue is the climate emergency, she and her cohort have actually caused harm by churlish inappropriate misplaced protest

Ponderingwindow · 26/07/2024 13:58

If a cause or an action is so morally just that one believes the rational choice is to ignore the rule of law, then part of that calculation should include accepting the associated punishment.

Someone who engages in a protest like this should show up, enter a guilty plea, and accept their punishment. That process is part of the protest.

Cosmosforbreakfast · 26/07/2024 13:59

She missed a wedding boo hoo.

People she caused chaos for missed important medical appointments. Honestly if either of my kids pulled a stunt like this I'd be hanging my head in shame not glorifying them in the media.

Twizzletoe · 26/07/2024 14:00

Another that agrees actions have consequences. Lots of people missed lots of things that were important and maybe even life changing to them. I understand it’s a destination wedding, perhaps her mother should persuade her brother to relocate it to the UK. She might then be able to attend dressed in sackcloth and ashes having walked barefoot all the way from prison

JudgeJ · 26/07/2024 14:00

FrippEnos · 26/07/2024 12:09

We all know what will happen.
She will put a request in , turn the water works on and get a day release and still be able to go.

They'll pay some psychiatrist a lot of money to be wheeled out to talk about her 'issues' and how her 'well being' will be impacted by not being able to fly to this event. Luckily, she's now in the inevitable 'safe place', she should be grateful.

CharlotteStreetW1 · 26/07/2024 14:01

I bet the two found guilty of damaging the Van Gogh Sunflowers painting are shitting themselves - they've got the same judge.

(who's already warned them to prepare for prison)

Paterson8080 · 26/07/2024 14:03

What a bunch of horrible right wingers you are. She is 22 and she is going to prison for 4 years for carrying out a peaceful protest.

LeFromage · 26/07/2024 14:05

I thought their sentence was harsh even though the M25 antics delayed my mum’s funeral and many people didn’t end up making it. However with this whinging I’ve changed my mind. And let’s hope no one blocks the route to her brothers wedding so he and the bride don’t get the send off they want. I think that would be my kind of justice - every family & friends event they host or attend fucked up by someone else’s militant opinions for the next 5 years.

Zone2NorthLondon · 26/07/2024 14:05

Paterson8080 · 26/07/2024 14:03

What a bunch of horrible right wingers you are. She is 22 and she is going to prison for 4 years for carrying out a peaceful protest.

Care to elaborate? Or are leaving it at that incoherent rant
she and her cohort caused interruption,upset and disruption to urgent appts by misplaced direct action
she must bear the consequences

Nobodywouldknow · 26/07/2024 14:05

Paterson8080 · 26/07/2024 14:03

What a bunch of horrible right wingers you are. She is 22 and she is going to prison for 4 years for carrying out a peaceful protest.

She has previous for this stuff so it’s akin to a three strikes system. It caused widespread disruption and was carefully coordinated. Also seeing as she was unrepentant following her previous convictions, a lengthy sentence is needed to have any impact.
She will no doubt get her rich parents to pay for a lawyer and appeal. Perhaps the sentences will be reduced a bit and I’d be surprised if she does more than about a year in jail.

JudgeJ · 26/07/2024 14:05

LBFseBrom · 26/07/2024 13:53

A four year sentence is far too harsh.

We definitely need a Bollocks button, come on MNHQ, sort it!

Comefromaway · 26/07/2024 14:08

Rfthyhuj · 26/07/2024 13:07

Thank you. I read the judge said ‘if this had went ahead I’d have imposed the maximum sentence’ so I’m a bit confused.

From reading the whole summary the chaos planned went a lot further than what actually happened. They organised approx 45 protesters to block the gantries which caused huge delays but they had planned on causing worse gridlock on the whole of th M5 and the rods leading onto it.

Paterson8080 · 26/07/2024 14:08

Hopefully she will get a sensible judge on appeal and the sentence will be overturned

Zone2NorthLondon · 26/07/2024 14:10

why? Because she’s middle class and 22. Are you globally anti-prison or just when it’s mc women

Lowerechelons · 26/07/2024 14:11

It's not her who's complaining, it's her mum, who might just as well be complaining about the behaviour that led to it as the sentence. I think it's OK for a mum to be disappointed that her daughter will miss her son's wedding, but not to expect that makes any difference to anyone else.

Protests that don't cause disruption have never achieved anything, there's not much point in a peaceful non disruptive protest, and there are numerous people in history who we need to be grateful to for protesting, despite the personal consequences.

I do think it's a bit much that this is the same sentence as the one handed to the child rapist in the news this week.

LeFromage · 26/07/2024 14:11

Paterson8080 · 26/07/2024 14:03

What a bunch of horrible right wingers you are. She is 22 and she is going to prison for 4 years for carrying out a peaceful protest.

I was with you totally - men who download horrific images of child abuse bestiality women being raped and men who actually do some of these things are walking away with suspended sentences so I don’t want peaceful protesters taking up prison spaces. The right to freedom of expression is important. But her mum is making it look only her family deserve snagfree events - can’t come across as a lot more selfish and idiotic. Weddings are so un eco friendly surely she’d only be protesting it anyway?

SmileyHappyPeopleInTheSun · 26/07/2024 14:11

But it's more than rich that we're supposed to care about her missing her brother's wedding. What about all the people who missed important events because of her actions?

One man missed his father's funeral another a cancer appointment which couldn't be rescheduled for a few moths affecting their outcome.

However this is her Mum - who broke no laws and is probably devastated her child is now in prison and will have to face implications of that - first of which is missing her brother's wedding. It does come across as tone deaf though.

Nanny0gg · 26/07/2024 14:13

Maddy70 · 26/07/2024 13:23

Peaceful protecting should not be illegal

The French wouldnt stand for .it Neither would the Spanish

Outrageous that the uk who prides itself (or did!) On free speach and democracy has made protesting illegal

Just because they weren't throwing bricks it doesn't mean that protest was 'peaceful'. That implies that said protest would do no harm

Blocking the M25 most emphatically did do harm

Figment1982 · 26/07/2024 14:13

If it is a destination wedding she could be let out next month and still may not make it anyway.. most countries aren't too happy about letting convicted prisoners in.

I get annoyed with the 'it's a climate emergency so she had to act' arguments. My brother is also a committed environmentalist. What did he do? Studied and obtained a PhD and now is the COO of a company working on more sustainable farming practices.

She's clearly a clever girl if she got into Cambridge. She would be better placed using that intelligence more productively.

Comefromaway · 26/07/2024 14:15

Ms Gethin has 3 previous convictions for similar protests/including one which was disruption of the M25.

Easipeelerie · 26/07/2024 14:16

Paterson8080 · 26/07/2024 14:03

What a bunch of horrible right wingers you are. She is 22 and she is going to prison for 4 years for carrying out a peaceful protest.

My interpretation of ‘peaceful’ is that it would have minimal impact on bystanders. It had a huge impact on bystanders - there were multiple people very inconvenienced and a number who were affected significantly.
I’m not making any judgement on her or her motivations, just saying I can’t see this was a peaceful protest as it did disturb the peace.

betterangels · 26/07/2024 14:17

She thought she'd get away with it. How sad.

Never mind.

LBFseBrom · 26/07/2024 14:18

** Hopefully, in the not too distant future, Eesipeelerie.

IllMetByMoonlight · That was one great post with which I concur
(never take any notice of posters who start a response with "See").