Cressida Gething missing bro's wedding

[PeachSnake]

AIBU to not give a shit and wish she had a much longer sentence?
Mum of jailed Just Stop Oil eco-yob moans 'she'll miss her brother's wedding' | UK | News | Express.co.uk

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You're suggesting that a) there wasn't awareness of climate change and b) governments were not doing anything about it until civil disobedience was used.

But this is untrue. Scientists have been working away in the background at raising awareness, yes. But governments have also been working together on solutions. The Kyoto Protocol was agreed in 1997. There have been 28 COP conferences.

You could absolutely argue that not enough was being done, and that efforts are being stepped up in recent years, but to claim that this is due to civil disobedience is risking confusing correlation with causation. We have increasing government action. We have increasingly visible protests. But we also have a third factor - increasingly visible impact of climate change. What is a more persuasive argument that we need urgent action on climate change - people chucking soup on a painting, or videos and news reports of horrific unprecedented wildfires, like the ones in Australia in early 2020? Or the increasing wildfires in popular European holiday destinations? Or the floods? Or that 40+ degree heatwave we had in England 2022, or the more recent endless rain and the impact on farmers and crops?

Greta Thunberg was a good figurehead for the climate change movement, people remember her for bunking off school and sitting with her small sign and pulling faces at Donald Trump and for making impassioned speeches, not for ruining weddings or stopping ambulances.

The general public are aware of climate change and are increasingly aware of the urgency of dealing with it because of a mix of the news from sensible outlets and personal experience. Shutting down the M25 to the general public and shouting 'just stop oil' as if this 'raises awareness' is patronising to people who are already aware, preachy (which gets people's backs up) and is useless in that it doesn't actually provide people with a helpful course of action. If the claim is that the action was meant as a message to the government who can actually 'stop oil', then you are using impacting non-consenting bystanders' personal lives in a stunt to further your own ends which just comes across as selfish and inconsiderate. To then justify this with 'but climate change will cause more disruption' is basically telling someone who missed a family funeral or a cancer appointment that 'your distress isn't as important as my desire for publicity, and in fact I'm relying on your distress to make my point'.

Wouldn't it be more useful to publicise the distress of those already being impacted by climate change (and there are many, many terrible options here), than to deliberately manufacture distress in a way that just makes people think you are a twat?

And yet things did change …

It's always these posh Toffs who have the time to protest. Meanwhile, the rest of us are at work, because, you know, no trust fund or handouts from Mummy and Daddy.

I think its weird that so many posh parents have suddenly decided its OK for their kids to be doing this.

Eco yob 😂

Love the suggestion of letting her out on day release and then blocking the roads so she misses the wedding anyway. Really tickled me.

After a bombing by the local IRA had killed a squaddie in Crossmaglen, the OC of the unit based there utterly forbade ANY revenge actions by his men.
Until that is, a couple of weeks later, the person who was known to have made the bomb was due to get married in the local church.
Between the murderer's home and the church there was a vehicle checkpoint every 20 yards.
Whilst the bride's car was allowed straight through each VCP, his car and those of his family, were searched thoroughly.
The wedding took place three hours late.

Yea it’s not peaceful protest when you cause physical harm to members of the public.

JSO are actually committing violent protest. Stopping people attending medical appointments causes delays to treatment/diagnosis. Blocking the passage of ambulances. That is physical harm. Not free speech ? People who would have been late to take medications.

Lost earnings/not attending job interviews in a cost of living crisis.

It is violent protest.

I am a medical doctor and I am astounded that JSO have the gall to claim their protest is peaceful.

Is a protest peaceful when it leads to harm caused to members of the general public? Being stopped from attending medical appointments for diagnosis/tteatment/follow up is cruel and inhumane, wastes NHS resources, wastes my time as a doctor and causes a huge amount of mental stress to the patient. That is physical harm and in my book constitutes violent protest.

Innumerable people take prescribed medications multiple times a day - which are time critical. You might have 2-3 doses on you as back up but when you arnt anticipating hours of delay on the motorway you might not have more than that. Is it peaceful protest to cause a patient to miss a dose of their blood thinner- thereby potentially causing an ischarmic stroke? For which an ambulance then can’t get through to you because of JSO blocking the passage of ambulances. So many medical emergencies are time sensitive. You can only thrombolyse an acute stroke in a hospital setting within a tight time window of 1.5 hours.

This is real real harm being done.

This has angered me to the point that some of my posts here are not as professional as I carry myself in person in real life.

Stopping people from getting to job interviews. Lost earnings. Untold consequences.

JSO are committing violent protest.

@3CustardCreams . Completely agree. No idea why people are describing this as peaceful protest. Peaceful protest doesn't involve forcibly stopping people from going about their business. Protesting in the street and handing out leaflets to passers-by is peaceful protest. Not this.

My DC has just graduated and is planning a career working in public service with deprived families. He will now for the next 11 years have to declare a conviction for walking along a road.

Talk about minimising! Either you are proud of what he did are you aren't.

There have been so many of these types of threads lately, with many virtually identical posts, that I'm starting to question the source of them.
I'm no fan of JSO either; but nor do I like being manipulated by the right wing, or anyone else for that matter.

Oh and the prison sentences were bonkers. I don't agree with JSO tactics, and feel extremely sorry for ordinary people affected. But, our prisons are at breaking point, and, as has been pointed out many times across several threads, serious abusers get less. That's awful.

So many other things I could say, but nobody on the 'lock em up, throw away the key' side of things seems to want to actually listen to reasoned balanced posters, and I'm way too sensitive to cope with the onslaught and false accusations directed at me, so I'll leave it there.

They would be bonkers if they were sentenced for 'sitting on a road' like a lot of people are saying that's what they received their sentence for.

They didn't. It's all there in the judgment which a lot haven't bothered to read. Your 'don't want to listen to reasoned balanced posters' is my 'I have listened to those posters and I don't find what they're saying reasoned or balanced, so I disagree'.

I've read the judgement, yes (by the same judge who did not send a proven rapist Police officer to jail in order to draw a line under the whole incident in a 'final act of mercy'. I digress...)

The judgement 'readily acknowledged' that violence played no part in the conspiracy' - and then said, oh, but that doesn't matter.

The point many are making is that, well actually, it does matter. There should be a right to non-violent protest. (Hallam, it is to be noted, did not even attend the protest. He was on the Zoom call. They were dobbed in by a Sun journalist btw - well, it's all grist for their grubby mill 🙄).

In his defence, the judge did admit that man-made climate change exists and that action is required to mitigate its effects. Clearly, that corporate action is not working - something the protesters were pointing out.

Absolute bollocks. Huge amounts of work, research and development have gone into reducing carbon emissions for decades- actual useful action, not sitting in roads stopping people from getting to the funerals of loved ones and hospital appointments. Here's a graph for you, if you're interested in actual facts.

Greenhouse gas emissions UK from 1990 to 2023

Nice info backed up with facts, thank you.
But some folks protest just for the sake of protesting to be honest, JSO have a detrimental effect on the general publics view of the issue.