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Perhaps women aren't cut out to be on the front line?

243 replies

andsisters · 25/07/2024 14:21

Footage of the female officers at the attempted assassination of Trump, and of the scenes at Manchester Airport makes me think that perhaps we're not best suited in those situations.

Would those four violent men have dared attack male officers in the same way?

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cupcaske123 · 25/07/2024 20:08

orchiddottyback · 25/07/2024 20:02

For all those that disagree with the OP, i'm still awaiting to see how many of them think there should be no mixed male and female sports, especially boxing ect. if so why is it any different.

After all they are all equally as good and capable.

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There shouldn't be mixed sex sports. Men and women are very different physiologically and men are generally stronger than women.

Police officers tend to be trained in how to defuse a situation and have tools such as a baton and taser to incapacitate someone. Men as well as women get hurt on the job and women have been in the police force doing their jobs very capably for a long time.

If women weren't physically capable of doing a job they wouldn't be employed.

Nobodywouldknow · 25/07/2024 20:13

orchiddottyback · 25/07/2024 20:02

For all those that disagree with the OP, i'm still awaiting to see how many of them think there should be no mixed male and female sports, especially boxing ect. if so why is it any different.

After all they are all equally as good and capable.

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thats a very stupid analogy. As I said before, policing is not about taking people on in a fight. Nor is it about possessing extreme strength- most officers are of fairly average build. Over a third of all officers are women and seem to manage fine. And according to your analogy, seeing as we have some male officers who are 25 years old, 6ft and 14 stone as well as some ones 45 years old, 5ft 8 and 9 stone, does this mean we should get rid of weight categories in boxing? No of course not. Some will be stronger than others and it’s not a job that requires you to have brute force because then that would be part of the requirements. There are currently no height requirements for joining the police and there will be female officers who are stronger than some of their male colleagues. It’s not the case that all men are stronger than all women - just that on average, men tend to be stronger. So in elite sport, where you are literally being judged on how your body performs and you are competing with the very top athletes, of course you have different categories (and weights for some sports). Policing is not like that and there are people of lots of different strengths and just because you can’t bench-press 100kg doesn’t mean you can’t be an excellent officer.

Arrivapercy · 25/07/2024 20:14

A gun doesn't do any less damage to a man. Those types of personal protection jobs, its really not about physical combat skills.

Its about spotting risks, evaluating a situation, reacting calmly and quickly and applying training not panicking. Strategising for example to determine the lowest risk exit route. Changing a plan in response to a situation.

zzar45 · 25/07/2024 20:15

orchiddottyback · 25/07/2024 20:02

For all those that disagree with the OP, i'm still awaiting to see how many of them think there should be no mixed male and female sports, especially boxing ect. if so why is it any different.

After all they are all equally as good and capable.

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You must struggle with grasping very basic
concepts if you think policing is anything like a boxing match.

DownNative · 25/07/2024 20:15

orchiddottyback · 25/07/2024 20:02

For all those that disagree with the OP, i'm still awaiting to see how many of them think there should be no mixed male and female sports, especially boxing ect. if so why is it any different.

After all they are all equally as good and capable.

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You're drawing a false equivalence between sports and military operations there. Its not sound logic or reasoning, but a logical fallacy.

Sports is the human body in competition with another.

In military operations, technology is used heavily. Men and women can both use the same technology.

Two completely different things, what you said doesn't stand up.

Eleanorshelstrop · 25/07/2024 20:16

andsisters · 25/07/2024 14:25

Obviously but that's more of an equal playing field.

If someone was attacking me, I would want a man defending me. Personally.

Why do I get the feeling you’re a man pretending to be a woman 😂

zzar45 · 25/07/2024 20:18

Do these posters think women apply and they just say “sure go on ahead love, here’s your wee uniform, do you want to start tomorrow
or next week?”

The police force has a long and rigorous application process involving physical ability testing. If the women on the force couldn’t do the job they wouldn’t have passed.

The bigger concern is those who have been on the force for 15/20 years plus and are now fat middle aged doughnut eaters who couldn’t out run their own shadow anymore. Mostly the blokes we see, but obviously it could be either.

DownNative · 25/07/2024 20:18

Arrivapercy · 25/07/2024 20:14

A gun doesn't do any less damage to a man. Those types of personal protection jobs, its really not about physical combat skills.

Its about spotting risks, evaluating a situation, reacting calmly and quickly and applying training not panicking. Strategising for example to determine the lowest risk exit route. Changing a plan in response to a situation.

They still do close quarter combat, especially with a pistol, e.g. Browning 9mm is a very good option for personal protection and CQC.

Police officers and soldiers still require physical combat skills. Its part of their training.

Nobodywouldknow · 25/07/2024 20:22

DownNative · 25/07/2024 20:18

They still do close quarter combat, especially with a pistol, e.g. Browning 9mm is a very good option for personal protection and CQC.

Police officers and soldiers still require physical combat skills. Its part of their training.

Yes and which female recruits also have to undergo and obviously do so successfully because otherwise they wouldn’t be working would they?

earlymorningcurlewcall · 25/07/2024 20:26

I was very surprised to see the woman who was protecting Trump. He's 6'3".

I don't particularly care that she's a woman, only that she was substantially smaller than him. How can you be deemed safe to take a bullet for him if he's twice her size?

Aussieland · 25/07/2024 20:30

This thread is terrifying. I can’t believe some women think like this.

I shall get back to my baking and cleaning toilets and put out my head my female colleagues who do everything the men do only without being dicks about it including winching out of helicopters, rescuing people off cliffs, spending 3 days on search and rescue etc (shock horror even rescuing men bigger than them 😮)

BouquetGarni224 · 25/07/2024 20:32

Who was it who put down the Australian incel mass murdering shooter again?

Let me think .....

Overtheatlantic · 25/07/2024 20:36

OP is a dickhead

DownNative · 25/07/2024 20:42

Nobodywouldknow · 25/07/2024 20:22

Yes and which female recruits also have to undergo and obviously do so successfully because otherwise they wouldn’t be working would they?

Correct.

Men and women also have to complete a set test within a certain time frame. At least that's the case in the military where men have to do it in a shorter time.

One more thing - unlike actively serving soldiers, police officers ARE civilians. Too many people think police officers are not civilians. 👍

Gillypie23 · 25/07/2024 21:04

Omg didn't know it was the 1920s.

Flozle · 25/07/2024 21:10

orchiddottyback · 25/07/2024 15:43

@zoemum2006 You obviously have not served on the front line in the military like me then 🤔

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Oh, there's a big strong man here to explain things to us!

Dymaxion · 25/07/2024 21:13

Footage of the female officers at the attempted assassination of Trump, and of the scenes at Manchester Airport makes me think that perhaps we're not best suited in those situations

I don't think anyone is necessarily suited to those situations are they ? The Trump attempted assassination scenario, they didn't let him get up until they knew the shooter was down, it was audible on the mike on the podium, there were also people with very big guns on the podium before they attempted to move him, so chances are the shorter stature women was as much good as the taller chap with sunglasses posing for the photographer ?

XChrome · 25/07/2024 21:21

Yes, we all know a phallus deflects bullets. Maybe if the women had the Wonder Woman belt and cuffs you'd be okay with it?

Seriously OP, wtf?

orchiddottyback · 25/07/2024 21:40

Flozle · 25/07/2024 21:10

Oh, there's a big strong man here to explain things to us!

Good i'm glad you see the light now then and stop pretending you can do a man's job. Those who answered my question about sports with their what aboutery saying they are not comparable are exactly what I predicted also.😂

Edenmum2 · 25/07/2024 21:41

And if the guy had broken a male police officer's nose what would your response be?

I'm thinking you haven't done an awful lot of research into the statistics.

Nobodywouldknow · 25/07/2024 21:44

orchiddottyback · 25/07/2024 21:40

Good i'm glad you see the light now then and stop pretending you can do a man's job. Those who answered my question about sports with their what aboutery saying they are not comparable are exactly what I predicted also.😂

It doesn’t really matter what you and your fragile male ego think though because women ARE doing your job and you’re probably just butthurt that most of them do it better than you could ever hope. Sorry that the being born with a penis thing as a route to success didn’t work out for you.

Nobodyknowsitall5 · 25/07/2024 21:48

orchiddottyback · 25/07/2024 21:40

Good i'm glad you see the light now then and stop pretending you can do a man's job. Those who answered my question about sports with their what aboutery saying they are not comparable are exactly what I predicted also.😂

Are you are tate supporter by any chance?

cupcaske123 · 25/07/2024 21:50

orchiddottyback · 25/07/2024 21:40

Good i'm glad you see the light now then and stop pretending you can do a man's job. Those who answered my question about sports with their what aboutery saying they are not comparable are exactly what I predicted also.😂

You can giggle away to yourself while women carry on doing the work they're employed to do.

mansviewpoint · 25/07/2024 21:51

VolvoFan · 25/07/2024 19:01

It was a kneejerk reaction to his colleague being attacked. He'll be sacked and his name and family probably smeared for the rest of his life.

The video clearly shows it wasn't a kneejerk reaction. The man on the ground turned his head to either spit at the officer or say something. The officer didn't like that and so not only kicked upwards but then slammed his foot downwards. That is 2 very distinct motions. Kneejerk is an instant reaction not one where you have to rebalanced. It was done in pure anger. There are many examples of both male and female police officers being attacked with things like samurai swords or just big knives. They show protection of the policing team by each other and coordination and professionalism in disarming the subject. That is nothing like what that sole police officer did and at the very least he was having a bad day.

Toastandmarmaladeisdelish · 25/07/2024 21:52

CleanShirt · 25/07/2024 14:28

Interesting first post.

Why do people say this? Posters name change all the time

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