Perhaps women aren't cut out to be on the front line?

[andsisters]

Footage of the female officers at the attempted assassination of Trump, and of the scenes at Manchester Airport makes me think that perhaps we're not best suited in those situations.

Would those four violent men have dared attack male officers in the same way?

I work on the front line. I would say I have a soft skills approach and I can de-escalate high conflict situations quite well. Obviously a softer skills approach won't work in all situations but going in all fucking guns blazing generally makes things much much much worse.
Op you clearly have no idea on what you are talking about and appear as ignorant and sexist.

i am interested to understand what Womens strong points are according to OP

I name change every time I start a thread. Just habit.

Where did I say that?

Speak for yourself!

They usually have a well rehearsed protocol. I assume protocol was followed in the immediate aftermath. Otherwise the news would be swamped with it.

However, protocol was not followed by male police officers in the run up to the event....

Absolutely this. A (male) police friend of mine is a hostage negotiator. He's a quiet, softly-spoken man, gentle in temperament, and says this is exactly why he was recruited for the specialist training.

What is needed in a hostage/standoff/high stakes situation is someone who de-escalates tension. You need the guy or girl who presents as if they're there to fix the photocopier, or do an audit of your accounts, not Bruce Willis in a manky vest or Liam Neeson in 'Taken'.

I’m much more likely as a person to step forward & I have done. Recently attending a gig in London a man randomly started punching another - me and my bil stepped in and separated them - our skills sets his calmness (& size) and my calming mother voice (we all know the one) was enough to calm the suituation down. Someone turned around to my husband and said aren’t you going to get in there to remove me - he said nope my wife is more than capable of looking after herself.

It’s more to do with the person. Flight or fight - I’m a scrappy sort but by nature quite reserved so it always takes people by surprise that when needed I step into the suituation.

Have you seen the doorbell footage of the female police officer taking down the
@!#$ (armed with a huge machete) who murdered that poor boy in Hainault earlier this year ?
I'm absolutely sure there are a hundred + other examples that never make the press.

Did you do the thread about Trump and security personnel that the poster thought should only be men?

What exactly are "women's strong point[s]" OP?

Talking bollocks seems to be yours!

And female inspector who took out the terrorist in Sydney, on her own!

If I was a woman security officer I wouldn't work very hard to protect a rapist. Just saying.

Say that to my friend who is a police officer and 5'1" and polices the local town centre on a Friday evening.

For me if they pass the same tests as for the men in police or armed forces as so many are capable of, they're in.

Perhaps men shouldn't be allowed in the police due to Wayne Couzens? And indeed others like him.

Perhaps men should have a curfew as they commit 98% of sexual offences and 90% of violent crime?

Women are not the problem.

So you’re saying the man who tried to shoot Donald Trump wouldn’t have attempted to do if Trump had an entirely male security detail?

That female officer in the video at Manchester airport was freaking out because she knew her male colleague was doing his Job really really badly!!!

I'd take a capable, well trained, qualified woman in any of those jobs over a man who is there solely based on the genitalia possessed.

I don't agree with the whole premise of the OP, as I think women bring a lot to delicate situations, but I also don't think nutters don't care who they attack.

In the absence of a hatred of a particular person, or one already involved in a conflict, women are often hated as a group by these people and ultimately harmed.

Im interested in how Trumps female protection officer failed in comparison to the male protection officers ?

The issue with Trump's close protection detail was to do with height not sex. Secret service officers are supposed to take a bullet for the person they are protecting by using their own body to block bullets. Trump is 6'3" so average height women and shorter men would not have been able to protect his head.

I'm pissed off that the female officers were put in that position because people, like the OP, are now starting conversations about whether women are suitable for certain jobs and making snide comments about diversity hires.

Kimberley Cheadle (Director of the Secret Service) has now, rightly, resigned just was told by Republican representative Pat Fallon,in a house oversight hearing to, "go back to guarding Doritos"; a reference to her previous job. The CEO of Boeing was robustly questioned but not spoken to so rudely in a similar type of hearing but he's a man.

some women are truly terrible cooks? what do we do with them?

Women are hopeless at cooking. All the best chefs are men don’t you know?

Women can’t load dishwashers either, they have no spatial awareness 😞

Have the English schools broken up for the holidays then?

@andsisters Fully agree with you in some circumstances.

As in on the front line within the military, Infantry and front line fighting force is no place for a woman for a whole bunch of different reasons.

The female bodyguards for Trump were woefully inadequate and should never have been placed in that role. They did not possess the adequate height, strength or skills to ensure trump was secure went down on the ground and sayed their until he was in a position to remove him from the situation.

As for police if they can pass the male physical fitness test then I have no problems, but the simple fact is that they will always antagonise male criminals who will see no authority in a female. that is not victim blaming the officers its a simple matter of fact.

Front line staff often need to have an intimidating and forceful presence when needed in some situations and no matter how you feel about equality, to criminals and people who are of that mindset I'm afraid the equality card has ZERO part to play, it's a fact and you cant discount facts because you want all things to be equal or they hurt you feelings.

The reality in the incidents you described, is that those particular women didn't look compentent. We didn't see the full incident in Manchester so can't say if the male officer was acting in an appropriate manner. But as PP have said, on a lot of occasions a less threatening approach from a woman can de-escalate big burly guys aggression.

This is ridiculous. Male officers are attacked all of the time. Even if they were not, the answer to male-female violence isn’t to remove women from job roles they are very capable of doing.