Perhaps women aren't cut out to be on the front line?

[andsisters]

Footage of the female officers at the attempted assassination of Trump, and of the scenes at Manchester Airport makes me think that perhaps we're not best suited in those situations.

Would those four violent men have dared attack male officers in the same way?

This is your second thread bashing women who work in security / the police etc.

You clearly have a weird little agenda of your own. Where are your complaints about the male police officer kicking a man in the head in an act of police brutality, or the male police officer who refused to enter the building and intervene in the Uvalde school shooting, or the male police officer who shot unarmed Sonya Massey in the face?

That's right. OP has nailed it

@andsisters no they definitely wouldn’t- I mean, there were never any attacks on security personnel, assassination attempts or fighting on the front line before women held those roles…

Some men are violent and sggressive towards women in situations where they would not be violent and aggressive towards men. That is simply a fact that everyone here would agree with yes?

and of the scenes at Manchester Airport makes me think that perhaps we're not best suited in those situations.

Bizarre that you mention the Manchester Airport debacle when it's a MALE officer who's been suspended for booting someone in the head.

That's very true. However if you're violent and aggressive to a police officer you get prosecuted.

Women can do whatever job WE want to do and are qualified for. .

OP is thinking about the one female officer who appears to be panicking AND ignoring the other female officer who took direct action to apprehend the male on the floor.

They've been looking for something to confirm their own bias. All that scene tells us is the panicking officer may not be as suited to that kind of situation as the female officer who is not panicking whatsoever.

She may not have as much experience. Women are always held up to a higher standard.

Possible. I've some suggestions online that the panicking officer was the one punched in the face as well.

The full facts of the situation are not completely clear at this stage though.

I haven't seen all the clips, but it's likely a lack of experience led to an injury.

I think it's likely that a vile person punching her in the face led to an injury.

What about if you were trapped in a seriously damaged car and only that smaller firefighter could reach you. OK then? Likewise trapped under eg shelving.

The fire service will attend far more traffic incidents than fires where they have to enter to rescue somebody. As I say, they are a team. Use each others strengths. If the incident dictates it needs the strongest member, then use them for that.

See also: smallest police woman on shift being stuffed through tiny open windows to access a home where the elderly occupant has fallen. Common occurrence. Saves smashing in a door and sending the bill for it to the elderly occupant.

I'm a 5 feet 3 inches, 9 stone woman. As a police officer I had many scraps. Sometimes I got mildly injured but ultimately came off best with a suspect under arrest, including a 6 feet 2 inch, 20-stone rapist. That's why we were issued with CS spray.

I was also able to use my smaller stature to climb in through tiny gaps other officers couldn't, which has come in handy on many occasions, such as when we had a situation with a child left home alone and about to come to serious harm (we could see through the window). Not all police vehicles carry method of entry kit and the wait could have proved fatal.

Not to mention the times I've been able to use my less threatening looking physique to talk down a violent criminal or someone intent on suicide/self harm.

I was also riot trained and have been involved in riots. Training and equipment are great levellers.

Could my 6 foot, 15-stone police officer husband take me out in a fight without equipment? Yes, of course (not that he would) because he's also equally trained and the height/strength difference comes back into play. But he wouldn't find it easy and most people police end up fighting with are not trained and often intoxicated.

Are men generally physically stronger than women? Yes. It's why we have different sporting categories etc and why male violence on women tends to result in more fatalities. But we don't move in a society where everyone, including police, are walking around naked without any tools or training. Those things significantly redress the balance when it comes to career choices.

Are men and women temperamentally more suited to certain types of work? No. I'd argue that there's little genetic about this and it is social in origin. There are enough people of both sexes doing roles (very successfully) or with preferences traditionally associated with the opposite sex that this can't be explained away as being innate.

There's been sackings of fire and police senior officers because unless there's been sexual favours given, the women are phased out. The issues have been found across multiple services and aren't just in one place, but nation wide. There was a news report dedicated to the issues in the ambulance service the other night.

I just read this, appalling.
https://news.sky.com/story/my-boss-asked-if-i-wanted-a-threesome-how-female-paramedics-are-hounded-at-work-13183615

I’ve got a bravery commendation for coming to the aid of two (male) Doctors who were under attack by a male armed with a machete whereby I disarmed him with an asp only and saved their lives.

A female officer shot and saved people under attack, it was in the news recently. In fact I recall two recently, the mall incident and the UK one.

Yesterday I was only one who calmed down a violent person who was self harming who wouldn’t let anyone near her, I managed to sit near her and talk to her enough to allow her to accept help, she was abused and terrified of men.

The female officer at the airport had a broken nose, if you’ve had an injury like this it impacts your breathing and eyesight, your eyes water a lot!

A female colleague of mine managed to restrain a violent person when the male officer froze.

A violent person is a violent person, all they see is the uniform.

It’s about ability, not whether you have a penis or not. There are many officers who would quite happily work with female colleagues over some of their male colleagues and vice versus.

Not every situations ends in conflict, often it’s avoided with decent people skills, respect and figuring out the flashpoints.

@andsisters the Manchester airport situation only stopped when the female officer deployed her tazer, despite being punched several times!! For all she knew, they might have been trying to grab their firearms. (Doesn’t excuse the head kicks by the male officer)