Perhaps women aren't cut out to be on the front line?

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Footage of the female officers at the attempted assassination of Trump, and of the scenes at Manchester Airport makes me think that perhaps we're not best suited in those situations.

Would those four violent men have dared attack male officers in the same way?

The average man is stronger than the average woman. If you deny this you are silly.

Men get a lot more antagonised by other men than they do by women. Women are soooooo much better at calming things down.

The security failure with the attempted assassination of Trump was the preparation beforehand, not how they reacted when the first shot hit him. The guy should have never been able to get on the roof or anywhere near the area. The way everyone reacted when the shots rang out seemed pretty standard.

I agree - l think she was thinking oh fuck he needs to stop doing that but she knew she couldn't stop/undermine him- she was in a very awkward situation

@zoemum2006 You obviously have not served on the front line in the military like me then 🤔

I always think the bottom line is, who would you want to carry you down the ladder from a burning building, a beefy fireman or a somewhat less beefy firewoman? I'm a dyed-in-the-wool feminist, but I know which I'd choose.

If you’ve ever been anywhere near a front line you know that women are there too!

What does that have to do with what I said, I was in the first gulf war there were not many women with me.

I'm a 5'7" 48 year old woman, and a fit size 12 but hardly Dwayne Johnson. Lots of people male and female find me intimidating even when I think I'm being polite and friendly, because I'm quite forthright, confident and express myself well and clearly.

It's ridiculous to say men and women don't find women intimidating. If indeed, intimidation is required as often it's more de-escalation as others have said.

Trust me a lot of men and especially men of other sections of the community do not see women as threatening nor equal, that's just a fantasy in your head. As I stated equality has nothing to do with it, you can't change facts as you find them displeasing or sexsist.

Women are on the front line for a reason. They decide to be there, they have the training to be there, society exists of men and women and any Force should reflect society.

OP you are either rather silly, a trad wife or rather fragile.

We don't know that the female officers were not competent in the Manchester incident, but we certain know one of their male colleagues was outrageously incompetent.

Which would lead to the equally fatuous question why are men allowed in the police?

Dont know about Manchester but from what I saw of the Trump thing, the woman was pivotal in making it work.

I literally do not have enough shits to not give about your completely irrelevant comment.

It's a free choice lots of women make to put themselves in harms way. Women come in lots of flavours from snowflake to kick arse MMA fighters.

Some of the loveliest sweet shy teens at my sons Karate class could kick the living shit out of Phil Mitchel if motivated. My big burly tattooed dh couldn't beat up a fly.

Did you notice that the PO who kicked a prone man in the head was male? I’m pretty sure it was his male rage that drove him to doing that.
Also, the sniper who shot Trump likely didnt give a damn if he was surrounded by male or female security, and I’m almost certain that a bullet would have hurt both males and females in equal measure.

Being a fit soldier didn't help the Lt Col attacked yesterday in Kent did it?

I was injured in an accident and could not get up off the floor.

The incredible female paramedic who lifted me up made it look as easy as though she was picking up her handbag. She was very petite and I am absolutely not. Training, skill and technique are probably more use than 'beefy'.

I don't believe work like that plays into women's strong point at all

You seem to be reducing an entire sex class of people to a stereotype.

Perhaps women are individuals and stereotypes only harm us.

To claim that it's not women's strong point is to imply that it is men's strong point, but there are plenty of men who aren't suited to a job in policing or security. Men who would shit themselves, quake in their boots, be prone to being traumatised easily, not be able to put the day job down at night, not be able to focus for long enough periods of time to be effective and reliable. Just like there are plenty of women who do have those qualities.

Sorry im failing to see your point here?

Indeed. I'd like anyone who was suitably qualified as a firefighter having passed all the tests required of men and women.

Women all have different strong points.

Being a woman isn't all cross stitch, kittens and talking about tampons.

I've worked in a manual, male dominated job all my life (farming and gardening - often isolated bloody hard work) and have never once needed to ask a man to do something I was unable to do.

It was women's fault, men were violent.

It was women's fault that they didn't stop the violent men.

Obviously the men would have done it so much better. Right? I mean we have irrefutable evidence that it wouldn't have happened if it had been a man there instead. Right?

Of course men in serious front line roles have track records which are totally infalliable. Right?

I mean, if we want to look at it this way, how many blokes got it wrong with Presidential assassinations. Not just attempts, but assassinations? 100 % track record preventing assassinations and assassination attempts? Oh.

Or we could look at who was on the team on the ground that day, and just how many blokes missed the shooter and stood around doing nothing. And how many women were on that team. It was totally the woman's fault.

Or we could consider how many females have tried to assassinate the president. Hmm.

Yes. All about women being shit and how it wouldn't happen if a bloke had been there. Apart from all the blokes that WERE there.

I know it's not the same thing but I can well believe this. In the horse world quite often the really petite and short women are those that the bolshy horses respect the most, and they're people that 6ft1 built like a brick shithouse me wouldn't get on the wrong side of either! I think being of a smaller stature can sometimes mean that those people get really skilled at taking no nonsense from half ton animals and demanding respectful behaviour, and that animals are really good at reading body language and a person's quality of presence - or that they soon learn the hard way! I imagine a similar principal might be at stake in human to human interactions.