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Parents not wanting to parent/tell their child no

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HappyWorkingMummy · 25/07/2024 07:54

I truly want to know if I am being unreasonable here.

I have loads of experiences with my primary age children's friends and their parents where their parents don't say no to their children and I then do so.

Examples:

Their primary aged child is breaking my children's toys with intention on a play date, parent says nothing and I have to interject.

Their primary aged child is going through my handbag and my personal belongings (keys, card etc) and their parent just sits there and says nothing so I have to interject and say no and tell the child why.

We are out at a restaurant and their primary aged kid runs about all over causing other customers to look frustrated and also walks round the table we are at and starts eating my dinner from my plate with their hands and parent says nothing. I have to find a way to interject.

In shops/gift shops one primary ages child screams if he can't get what he wants and the parent just buys it for him to stop the screaming. The child now knows that screaming and refusing to leave and throwing things off shelves in shops until he gets what he wants works. When the parents are there too my partner and I just walk away with our children and wait outside after we have for what we want (if we buy anything). If it's just me/my partner without the parents there then I/we tell the child we are looking after (not our own but on a play date) to pick the items up they have thrown on the floor and make clear the child will not be getting any treats if the behaviour continues. It works and the child behaves (for a while at least) but the child's own parents never do this.

At a story time event and children are asked to sit on the rug and listen but primary aged child runs and shouts all round the room spoiling things for the other children and parents say nothing... the person running story time tells them to behave each week and looks frustrated.

I also notice that if I ask a child not to do something and they then ask their parents if they can do it, their parent will say ask X (me!). Well, I've already told them no and the parent heard that but is refusing to reinforce it and simply doesn't want to parent.

I don't want to keep having to say no to their child! I've already said no.

These are just a few small examples but I'm noticing so often. I also notice it falls into two camps in our friendship group. The first are the parents who just want an easy life and don't especially want the 'inconvenience' of their child or dealing with their child's moods and negative feelings etc and the second are the parents who think their children can do no wrong and never say no to them.

Are my partner and I horrid parents for raising our children with boundaries (their own while also respecting other peoples)?

We are surrounded by so many parents who don't say no and their child/rens' behaviour impacts negatively on our kids and us too on days out etc,

These kids are neurotypical and, anyway, it's not about the kids' behaviour here (they are kids!) but rather about the fact we have so many friends who never tell their kids no or stop and so we have to sometimes when impacting on us.

How do you deal with this situation where friends' primary aged kids are misbehaving and it's impacting you directly but their parents don't say a peep?

Also, are we too harsh with our own kids?

Should we let our children run wherever they want, let them go through friends' personal possessions, break friends' toys with intention, leave their own dinner and eat someone else's dinner in a restaurant uninvited because they decided when it arrived they wanted that more?

These are just a few examples.

It's frustrating having to repeatedly put boundaries in place with other people's children while parenting your own simply because their kids have no/few boundaries but, even more so, my partner and I are wondering if we are too strict with our children because we DO have these boundaries in place (we know it's a way not only to respect other people but for our kids to respect themselves and feel healthy and secure. No can be good sometimes!).

Would love to hear thoughts.

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Mostlycarbon · 25/07/2024 09:04

There are plenty of parents like the ones you describe but there are plenty of good parents too. If kids behaved like that round my house or out on a day trip and their parent was that useless I would back off and not want to socialise with them again. I don't have millions of mum friends but the ones I do are great parents with a similar parenting style to me. Just makes it easy for a pleasant day out. Also, I respect and admire them as parents which is one of the reasons we're friends: I value their advice and judgement.

GRex · 25/07/2024 09:05

I said:
Surely it's one kid who went through your handbag, so you just don't see them again.

You said:
If you think I'm harsh for not wanting friend's kids to rummage through my credit cards and tampons

This is you asking a genuine question? Really? I suppose you've got your wish in replies, but I'm out.

MulberryBushRoundabout · 25/07/2024 09:05

What’s your demographic OP? I’ve seen this, yes it’s shit parenting, but I’ve not seen it as concentrated as you’re describing.

Our primary school has about 40 families, there are two like this, and they have the two most unpleasant children in school - one is a bully, the other is a spoiled brat. People who parent like this are doing their children a major disservice.

But on what to do… well either it’s enough to affect your friendships or it isn’t. We can’t tell you that. Of course you don’t have to put up with kids doing things that affect you directly, but how they affect other people is not your problem. So the kid at the restaurant - them running around is not your problem, but you should tell them not to take your food. Try meeting at places with fewer potential issues - go to the playground maybe.

GingerPirate · 25/07/2024 09:07

What to say?
Twats bringing up a twat.
Happy I don't have any kids and am not around these people.

Hoppinggreen · 25/07/2024 09:07

Imagine if it was your SIL who refused to use the word no to her kids?
Bloody nightmare and I avoided them like the plague, mind you I imagine she wasn't bothered as I was quite happy to tell her kids no if necessary

MiGatoEsBonitoTuGatoEsFeo · 25/07/2024 09:08

HappyWorkingMummy · 25/07/2024 09:01

@Sometimeswinning not easily influenced at all (not sure how you got that from the thread considering I made clear that we do enforce boundaries while many others don't!) but rather care so much about our kids' wellbeing that we want to make sure we are doing as well as we can by them

But how would boundaries be bad for a child's well-being?

Supersoakers · 25/07/2024 09:08

At my dd’s 7th party some of the kids were running around while they were meant to be eating. Hilariously it was their parents who’d stayed and didn’t say anything! I was quite shocked and as a teacher told them to sit down myself eventually as they clearly weren’t going to. But I didn’t do it forcefully as I didn’t want to upset them.
Ive got 2 older ones and they and their peers were told off more. They grew up with super nanny ethos and I feel like it’s gone too far the other way now.

blackrabbitwhiterabbit · 25/07/2024 09:10

Get new friends

Sunshineafterthehail · 25/07/2024 09:13

See them without dc.. Your dc really won't like hanging out with such dc... My mate never told her ds off.. So I did. She never wanted to go anywhere because his behaviour was so entitled.. Dropped her years ago and often wonder what sort of adult he became...
We had ds's the same age and the difference between them behaviour wise was madly obvious...

monotonousmum · 25/07/2024 09:15

I haven't noticed it as widespread as you've described. Though no doubt all kids can be little shits at times and I try not to judge isolated interactions.

But we have two families we're closw friends with, I love spending time with them both. But...one family parent exactly as we do and the kids are generally a pleasure to be around.

The other family is massively lacking in boundaries. They have two kids same ages and ours and I find myself more often not wanting to see them as I can't stand the constant screaming and screeching when they want something. The problem here is primarily the Dad, or the fact that both parents aren't on the same page. The Mum tries to say no but the Dad is away with the fairies and just gives in to everything. She's fighting a loosing battle. The same breaking of toys, eating food of plates etc. The attitude of them is awful. And it does sometimes make me question my own parenting because I feel like I'm always saying no in comparison.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 25/07/2024 09:15

We want to maintain friendships but find a way to shut down behaviour in a way that doesn't cause issues

In many ways this will probably sort itself out naturally if you just carry on with your own sensible boundaries

Those capable of guiding their DCs will most likely remain friends, and others who'll raise Cain if someone so much as tuts at their child will fall away gradually - or possibly instantly with a slam of the door and a sneer

The point is that it's not always possible to avoid "issues" with poor parenting - they'll pay the price in time - but there's no obligation to make the consequences your own

crostini · 25/07/2024 09:18

I see this a lot in middle class families with single child families especially boys. They're treated like the Christ child and can do no wrong. Funnily enough they always cast judgement on other children and parenting skills though, but of course the rules don't apply to little wilfred.

TaylorSwish · 25/07/2024 09:24

You are way too polite and a much nicer person than me!
They are terrible parents and it’s made their children turn into little shits.
I would be livid if paid to eat in a nice restaurant and a random child ate my food!
I would tell your friends why I can’t be friends with them. Not a lot of people will put up with that behaviour.

HappyWorkingMummy · 25/07/2024 09:27

crostini · 25/07/2024 09:18

I see this a lot in middle class families with single child families especially boys. They're treated like the Christ child and can do no wrong. Funnily enough they always cast judgement on other children and parenting skills though, but of course the rules don't apply to little wilfred.

They are both middle and working class families in our friendship group, but you're right that it's mostly boys although one of the worst offenders is the mother of a girl who is an only child.

No matter what her daughter does she is never wrong and the mother will tie herself in knots to blame other peoples' kids for her daughter's behaviour even in the face of all evidence to the contrary!

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HappyWorkingMummy · 25/07/2024 09:30

TaylorSwish · 25/07/2024 09:24

You are way too polite and a much nicer person than me!
They are terrible parents and it’s made their children turn into little shits.
I would be livid if paid to eat in a nice restaurant and a random child ate my food!
I would tell your friends why I can’t be friends with them. Not a lot of people will put up with that behaviour.

How do you tell a child not to eat your food and they have their own?

How do you reinforce that when you're told the child not to do that and they whine to their parents that they want to and their parent says ask X (me!) which leads the child to start grabbing food from my plate again?

These are questions I really need an answer to! How to reinforce my no when the parent is bulldozing over my no and my boundary after I've made myself clear?

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DutchCowgirl · 25/07/2024 09:33

I don’t understand why your kids like to play with kids who break their toys… mine wouldn’t.

From our friendsgroup about half of the kids would be difficult to have in my house. But my own kids didn’t connect with them either.
After a birthdayparty where my house was completely ruined we decided to drop contact with one couple and only meet 2 others in parks/softplay/neutral ground.
Later on the kids turned out to be neurodiverse/SEN after all. So maybe with the kids of your friends they just don’t know yet?

But my best friends SEN-kid is always welcome in my house, i see her struggling every day and even though her parenting style isn’t mine, I don’t judge her because of it. I don’t know how I’d do it if i had to parent her kid. My parenting style with boundaries just works, because I have easy kids who are sensitive to it.

Supersoakers · 25/07/2024 09:35

When they do that they’re putting the onus on you to be the bad guy because you have more effect than their own wet wipe approach. You’re doing them both a favour saying a clear no it’s my food and them living to tell the tale.
i honestly would have no qualms saying no to that and would interpret it as me doing the parent a favour!

otravezempezamos · 25/07/2024 09:38

Sounds like you are doing great and your friends are just crap at parenting. Not everyone is cut out for it.

Mostlycarbon · 25/07/2024 09:40

HappyWorkingMummy · 25/07/2024 09:27

They are both middle and working class families in our friendship group, but you're right that it's mostly boys although one of the worst offenders is the mother of a girl who is an only child.

No matter what her daughter does she is never wrong and the mother will tie herself in knots to blame other peoples' kids for her daughter's behaviour even in the face of all evidence to the contrary!

I agree that this is an issue that transcends class divides, despite various stereotypes.

Yousaidwhatagain · 25/07/2024 09:40

I don't know anyone personally like this BUT public places are full of these little shits. A few weeks ago we went to the playground, a group of children (6-8) looking, were just being absolute vile shits and spoiling it for everyone. Not a parent in sight. They then started taking other children's stuff like bikes and scooters and running off with them. A parent went up to one of the boys and immediately a woman went to say they are only just playing. So the idiot was there all along and thought her snowflakes were just 'playing'.

HappyWorkingMummy · 25/07/2024 09:40

Supersoakers · 25/07/2024 09:35

When they do that they’re putting the onus on you to be the bad guy because you have more effect than their own wet wipe approach. You’re doing them both a favour saying a clear no it’s my food and them living to tell the tale.
i honestly would have no qualms saying no to that and would interpret it as me doing the parent a favour!

Yes! This!

One child came to our home and started pulling every toy from every toy box etc.

They weren't even supposed to be in our home we were meeting them to go somewhere and they were coming to knock at ours then walk together but the boy ran in and started pulling stuff out.

Instead of his mother saying no, she said to the boy X (me!) said don't do that, but he just continued. I hadn't even said a thing about it at that stage but she just couldn't bring herself to have a no coming from her. He continued and I did say no.

But, yes, the parents are making those of us who put boundaries in place into the bad guys. I'm not herr to be bad cop to their kids and feels stressful.

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HappyWorkingMummy · 25/07/2024 09:45

Yousaidwhatagain · 25/07/2024 09:40

I don't know anyone personally like this BUT public places are full of these little shits. A few weeks ago we went to the playground, a group of children (6-8) looking, were just being absolute vile shits and spoiling it for everyone. Not a parent in sight. They then started taking other children's stuff like bikes and scooters and running off with them. A parent went up to one of the boys and immediately a woman went to say they are only just playing. So the idiot was there all along and thought her snowflakes were just 'playing'.

And this is the sad part.

Others see the kids as 'little shits' or whatever but the kids are just kids pushing boundaries as kids like to.

The issue is the 'shit' (if we're using that term) parenting and the never saying no.

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AlpineMuesli · 25/07/2024 09:52

How do the parents react to you setting boundaries?
I know someone who gets angry at adults who try to curb the antisocial behaviour of his 3yo.
He was not parented well, and has a strained relationship with remaining parent. It’s intergenerational, I think.

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 25/07/2024 09:52

@HappyWorkingMummy I think you need to find some friends with housetrained children!! no need to have feral children running around like that!

sunflowerdaisyrose · 25/07/2024 09:55

I don't recognise this sort of parenting among the families we know. I am fairly relaxed with mine but with firm boundaries. Is in a restaurant they have to sit at the table (and no screens!). In a pub garden with a playground I let them run around. Breaking toys on purpose or going through handbags I don't think would even occur to them as remotely appropriate behaviour so haven't had to tell them off for that sort of thing but of course I would and would be shocked if another child did that!!

My eldest is autistic and have been guilty of occasionally (but certainly not always) letting her buy something from the supermarket to avoid a meltdown - somethjng small like raspberries or a chocolate bar, not a toy or anything.