Disorder in Leeds

[OrangeFurever]

Anyone watching the public disorder in Leeds? Bloody disgusting behaviour. Animals. AIBU to wish police had so many more resources to bring consequences to these absolute excuses for humanity?

I agree with you. I can't imagine the hostility they must face on a daily basis, threads like this make it really clear what some people think of people who don't look English enough for them. Why those posters think anybody would want to integrate with them is beyond me.

You really don't think that when a group of people know that they are despised that has some effect on the way that they act and the respect that they have for the society that openly despises them?

Who exactly do you mean? Do you think the people rioting in Leeds will read this thread?
People who do integrate won’t necessarily feel the thread is about them.
Nothing wrong with integration, it’s essential for a cohesive society.

It's not just this thread is it and it's not just in relation to this particular incident. There is clear hostility from a lot of people towards brown people in particular at the moment in the UK.

Of course integration is a good thing but it is a two way street. You can't expect people to integrate into a society where they are openly despised and where they are approached with suspicion just for existing in their skin.

I’m white, so I don’t know what it’s like for brown people in the UK right now.
I’ve been an immigrant most of my life though, and have definitely encountered hostility in the past. When my family moved to a new country years ago, I remember there being anti immigration protests in our town.
That didn’t make my parents or their friends say: “Oh, those people here don’t seem to like us, so we won’t even try to integrate.”

You can't expect people to integrate into a society where they are openly despised

It works both ways - you can’t expect a host society to accept you with open arms if you make no effort and disregard their rules and values.
And besides, how do you know all those people are “approached with suspicion just for existing in their skin”?
There are plenty of people from so many different backgrounds and ethnicities living in the UK, who manage to integrate and become responsible members of society.

I think us Brits for the most part are welcoming and tolerant of different ethnicities. Immigrants who do try and integrate with the local community and are tolerant of everyones right to live in peace, do get on well and succeed in the UK. Unfortunately when we create a ghetto situation with one foreign nationality dominating the area, you have the issue where integration will not happen.

Of course integration is a good thing but it is a two way street. You can't expect people to integrate into a society where they are openly despised and where they are approached with suspicion just for existing in their skin

Many thousands of immigrant families have integrated into society. Plus the majority of people who haven’t integrated are not wreaking havoc on their own doorstep.

You really don't think that when a group of people know that they are despised that has some effect on the way that they act and the respect that they have for the society that openly despises them?

well being visibly Jewish, I’m not exactly flavour of the month right now but have managed to integrate and give back to a society where I often don’t feel wanted and quite honestly, right now, despised.

YES, this exactly. I don’t see Jewish people running around town burning things down. The anti Jewish marches are an absolute disgrace. Jews are not your problem, your problem is the anti west scum bags running around Leeds and the other ones who were allowed to rape little girls for years because police didn’t want to offend the protected offenders.

Good for you🏅So you don't think that being demonised by society could influence peoples respect for that society at all because you personally don't feel that way? You don't believe there is anyway people can experience things differently than you do. Righto.

This is what I talking about. 'Anti West scumbags'. Where are you getting anti west from? Has anyone involved in the incident given any indication that they are anti west or rape girls? Nope, you've seen brown skin and made up your own narrative. Your problem is clear to see.

Stop minimising.

And it's obviously not 'just' the replacement of a police car and bus. It's the equipment and hours needed to clean up that mess. Because I doubt anyone who caused it is going to.

Very good point.

When the media talk about "communities" in the plural sense - and "community leaders" it's code for shithole, same as for "vibrant" and "up and coming".

On the plus side, if you're criminally minded and live in an area dense with "community leaders" it's great. It means the police can't arrest anyone without 10 people filming it and throwing the 'R' word round like confetti. So plod tip-toe round such "community leaders"

Don't believe me? Well if 200 Leeds United fans went through the city centre flipping over cars and setting fire to buses then trust me the riot police would be there in minutes.

There's been brown people in Leeds for a very long time. They've mostly settled . It's the newbies that are perhaps causing issues on this occasion. 5K Roma moving into the area in a few years .

Look at the protests about British tourists abroad because these days there are too many of us and we're pushing the locals out of their own homes.

Again, what exactly do you mean by “despised” and “demonised”? That not every local likes you or that some people might be critical of immigration or of the behaviour displayed by a certain group?
That’s no reason to start setting things on fire or to refuse to integrate.
How do thousands of other immigrants manage to do it perfectly well? Do you think they never encounter any hostility?

I think people just want to have their cake and eat it a lot of the time. To properly integrate, most immigrants (UK) need to revise a lot of their original values. In the UK women are equal in law, and it's a crime to destroy property and attack women. In some of their home country tries it either isn't criminalised of isn't punished (which is essentially decriminalisation). You want to come and expect to have your life funded (which contrary to popular belief, the majority of them do) and not follow our rules and customs. A lot of people from other cultures actively disparage British culture and its freedoms, yet they're happy for us to pick up their bulls. Funny, that. I would even argue that there are British people who for no good reason other themselves, like our gypsies, don't send their kids to school, pay no tax and then rock up at A and E when they fancy. It's a fucking joke.

Where's your evidence that the majority "have their lives funded"?

I know a school with a large community of Roma pupils, it is near impossible to manage.
The male pupils are disrespectful to women to a shocking degree, the school can't impose consequences because their parents support the behaviour.
Theft and damage of property and items is a daily occurrence and non romantic pupils ( themselves from incredibly deprived backgrounds) are terrified and increasingly demoralised and even harder to motivate.

It's a painful truth but one that many people working in education, housing, children's services and the NHS have lived experience of and insight into if they dared to speak up or if anyone wanted to listen with an open mind.
There are serious issues related to certain communities lack of integration.

*see also the vile behaviour shown to Jess Phillips in Birmingham by men that want to impose cultural values to suppress women.

spot on @Shoyden !

The police were far too soft on them and should’ve pushed back.

Now they think they can do as they please and are untouchable …they don’t want to follow our laws and will riot/ torch vehicles if they don’t get their way…it’s terrifying to see this.

Enough is enough. Hopefully a fair few will be deported or jailed …

It was a Roma family and a baby was injured it was a serious safety issue. But hey ho they want to make their own rules and woe betide the fury if they don’t get to suit themselves. It’s disgusting.

We used to live in Leeds and I love the place would return in a heart beat but am utterly dismayed at the Leeds Council’s statement. Trying to appease therm …well stuff that …no! That’s not how society works ! Stop just stop with the softly softly nonsense it’s shameful and why we are in this mess…

it’s very simple fit in and abide by our laws or f off!

I'm a social worker, we did not stop visiting children during the pandemic.

@EmilyGilmoreCardiganEnergy is this in Page Hall - South Yorkshire

People are fearful and prejudiced against migrants for good reason. I live in Leeds and like many cities there is a high number of young male migrants that appear to have no intention of integrating and becoming law-biding hard working British citizens. Recently while shopping in Leeds I was speaking to a shop assistant in Space NK. She said at night the staff are frightened to walk to their cars and shoplifting in the city by gangs of immigrants is rife. These gangs of young men coming here to our cities and coming with the sole intention of making money through crime including drug dealing, theft, fraud and intimidation. Until we stop this from happening there will never be acceptance of genuine people wishing to make a good and honest life here.

No,think more deprived seaside town in the north.

My cousin lives here. She said it’s just an excuse for argy bargy: a good night out for young men on a hot night (never rioting when it’s tipping down).

What I don’t get is where are the parents ? This is not a community known for single-parent households, so the rioters’ behaviour cannot be blamed on lack of father figures at home. I would haul every identified rioter’s parents in and ask why they didn’t just lock the front door. It implies they were condoning it.

There was a more peaceful protest demanding the return of the children. However, the basis of the Roma community wanting the child returned is based solely on it being painful for the parents and that the children were taken because of racism.

No focus on the children at all. The shit bags that turned to violence the night before didn’t give a shit about the kids and probably don’t really care if the Roma are being treated unfairly. And even the Roma community don’t seem to be focusing on what’s best for the children either. They want to deal with their own issues, which means when it comes to thing like child neglect, they don’t deal with it.

And the parents are doing the really mature thing and going on hunger strike until their kids are returned. How is that helping? If they want their kids back they will have to engage with the social services. Regardless of them feeling they should be outside the laws and rules.