Disorder in Leeds

[OrangeFurever]

Anyone watching the public disorder in Leeds? Bloody disgusting behaviour. Animals. AIBU to wish police had so many more resources to bring consequences to these absolute excuses for humanity?

It's actually not that much of a divide, people who can read English printed just over 100 hears avo are not semi-literate.

Do you think the residents of this estate are pouring over every word of Kier Starmer? Or do you think they actually face daily struggles that prevent them from engaging in any meaningful way with wider society whole sinultaneously draining the country of funds? Because personally I think it's the latter.

I'm honestly not sure on the entertainers part. My understanding is that they moved for work much like modern travellers. They started coming into Europe during the Ottoman Empire settling in Eastern European Countries.

A very well travelled friend spent some time in Romania around the time of the fall of Ceacescu (sp). He got speaking to locals and the Roma were not well liked due to increased crime in any area they were.

Was reading today 5000 Roma have settled in the Harehill area in the last few years. That's going to take some adjustments for all.

So they were trying to dodge social services? I'm so glad SS and the police acted decisively and didn't worry about cultural sensitivity. I once worked with a traveller child and raised safeguarding concerns regarding emotional abuse and neglect. My headmistress (our DSL) dismissed me because,I believe, she was scared of confrontation with the traveller community. I didn't have the guts to escalate it but left my job.

Do you think the residents of this estate are pouring over every word of Kier Starmer? Or do you think they actually face daily struggles that prevent them from engaging in any meaningful way with wider society whole sinultaneously draining the country of funds? Because personally I think it's the latter.

My family were uneducated in their birth country. They lived in appalling conditions there and here when they came . Photos in the archives , of the conditions around the area my DPs lived (Byron Street in Leeds) really shocked me. There was no state assistance, no help to settle other than from those who had arrived first and let them sleep in their overcrowded rooms. At no time did they ransack and trash their neighbourhood as a way of releasing their trauma and conditions. I have empathy for anyone having to escape their country but not when it comes to doing this sort of shit.

This is where my DF and DM first lived with their DPs and DGGPs. My DF wrote about living there and what it was like. It’s sobering reading.

@SayItSweetly

Their original name is from the Sanskritt* word डोम, ḍoma and means a member of the Domm* caste of travelling musicians and dancers.

Probably because when they arrived they weren't crammed into estates purely put aside to house people from.all over the world. It's an extremely unstable environment and asking for trouble. I'm.also willing to bet the number of people of their nationality at the time immigrating were not almost exclusively young men.

Shoyden. They were crammed 10 to a room. No indoor toilets, open sewer. If they had been put onto an estate I swear they wouldn’t have trashed it . There were Irish and black diasporas there. There wasn’t anyone from those communities setting fire to trams, shops and throwing bricks around. People have always been and always been hugely disadvantaged. Most don’t commit mindless acts of destruction of their own neighbourhoods. This is not excusable.

Sadly this is probably very true. Pure scum

And Harehills isn’t just young men. There are many families trying their hardest to get by and make a decent life for themselves. They don’t deserve to have this going on around them. It must be absolutely terrifying.

Absolutely.

But were they mostly young men from countries that don't educate people and treat women like livestock though?

Except the damage is reported to have cost £1 million. Who's going to be paying for that? The already likely to be nearly bankrupt Council...

Why do these 'English' people always have their own community leaders. I see that phrase is being trotted out on news outlets.

Surely the community leaders in this country are the local council and then parliament. Why do these groups need their own community leaders, who have to be listened to by the police and politicians?

Despite the best intentions of those who insist that they are English as fish and chips-could it possibly be that they have their own community leaders because they don't see themselves as English?

It's a riddle but I'm sure some will be along contorting the facts to give an answer which flies in the face of common sense.

Balls to their community leaders. No need for them. Use the same community leaders as everyone else-the council and parliament. To do otherwise smacks of kid glove special treatment and it is divisive.

Leeds is saying it will work with the Roma community and the Honorary Consulate of Romania! Why? They're English-according to many on this thread-why involve these foreign organisations. Social Services judged those children would be taken away according to the law of this land and yet because they went out rioting, here they are being conciliatory towards them.

Why? That's the law, that's the way we do things here and that's that. Like it or lump it.

Shoyden. From a patriarchal society. My DGM walked behind my DGF. They had no education in their home country and a few years in the UK before leaving. My DF was drafted to fight in the war. My DM left school at 13 and was married with her first child by 17. My DF was 10 years older than here. He hadn’t been raised where men helped with children or round the house. My DM worked full time then came home to cook for 3 kids and clean, wash etc with zero help. Women were not valued other than to have children and keep house . My DM had to work full time as DF didn’t earn enough. Life was shitty for her. Stroke at 40 and died from cancer in her 60s. Heavy smoker to manage her stress and anxiety.

You cant manage stress with smoking, it just worsens it.

All this talk of people not integrating. I can't imagine being one of 'these people' reading a thread like this in the morning then being expected to go out in the afternoon and 'integrate'.

Just seen this interview with Mothin Ali, the Harehills councillor, who seems like a really decent guy. He talks a bit about the background, contributing factors, and what happened last night.

Buddysbunda. The majority of ‘these people’ are just getting on with life and doing their best in often immensely difficult and disadvantaged situations. They are not the thugs out on the street trashing the neighbourhood, making it unsafe or spurring others on to wreak havoc . I imagine the majority of ‘these people’ are bloody terrified.

MeouwCat. You’re right. It didn’t make anything better. She was a stressed and anxious wreck the poor thing.

And I doubt the thugs doing this aren’t remotely thinking about being upset that integrating will be harder after reading this thread. They literally don’t give a shit what anyone thinks about them.

Community leaders in some communities have actually been heavily involved in organised crime.
Glasgow, Manchester.

Britain has been fucked for a long time, these problems are not new.

A cop car and a bus? That seems a big bill.

Look, I agree it was horrible that it happened, and the sort of thing a strained neighbourhood doesn’t need.

But no one was injured and nowhere was trashed and looted, which is the sort of thing we associate with riots. Members of the community were mucking in to put the fire out and cooler heads were talking people down.

I’d hate to see this talked up into something that spills over for days rather than be an explosive night that was a one off, and people still had faith in their community and neighbours.

God knows Harehills needs all the support it can get.