Disorder in Leeds

[OrangeFurever]

Anyone watching the public disorder in Leeds? Bloody disgusting behaviour. Animals. AIBU to wish police had so many more resources to bring consequences to these absolute excuses for humanity?

Legislation to send people back to persecution?

Can you link?

Why do you begin by assuming that all this persecution they're fleeing from is a fact?

Why not begin by assuming most of this much vaunted persecution is bollocks-you would then have a very different world view.

What persecution do you think the big fat Roma harridan screaming at the police the day after Harehills was facing. I'm going to hazard the answer...none! ( a PP provided the link up thread)

She was fucking and blinding, geeing up the crowd, telling the police to fuck off-naturally they complied.

She was arrogant ignorant, and foul mouthed. She was obviously used to shouting her mouth off and do you think that anyone who had suffered this much vaunted persecution in a land from which she had had to flee would be able to call our police corrupt and dangerous.

Of course not! She would look at our police, compare them to all the horrors and persecution she has undergone in foreign climes and find our police and laws reasonable.

She doesn't. She-and thousands like her-compare our police to their own and find ours to be , as she yells, 'bastards.;

If this is true and she thinks what she is suffering here is awful compared to what she suffered at home, then isn't it reasonable to assume that she didn't suffer very much at home at all. Compared to her own police, she thinks ours are worse than wherever she came from.

That doesn't sound as if she was persecuted.

You really must stop swallowing all this shit about being persecuted so easily. Some will have been-a minority I wager- but plenty have not been otherwise they wouldn't be causing trouble here, would they.

But if you persist in thinking that persecution awaits all these people if they are returned to their homeland then riddle me this...why don't they behave when they get here?

@OlgaBracley who is your post to?

My view on where we are is not aligned with Labour or current law. I think trafficking networks know how to exploit a system we’ve set up for vast profit and half the media do spin a line as you say.

But I still know the laws exist and have done for a while so I question the pp on the legislation they talk about

It is addressed to those who swallow all this crap that most migrants, like the Harehill Mob-but not just exclusively them-are fleeing persecution and that this is why they must be accepted and never sent back to this imaginary persecution.

That is a big catch all that allows them to act with impunity knowing they will never be sent back.

I don't know if there is actual legislation on this or not, so would have to bow to your knowledge.

However, whether actual legislation exists or not-there is a mind set in this country that returning them to whence they came is a big no-no as they are fleeing persecution.

That mind set is pretty important, as it enables many trouble making and law breaking migrants to act with impunity. I question it as I don't believe most of them are fleeing persecution. If they were, why would they riot, break the law and abuse the people of this land.

They're not afraid of being returned and they weren't afraid when they left for these shores.

If they were, they would have more gratitude-and that's not a dirty word- when they got here. It doesn't mean they have to take the knee, it means they have to show respect for the law of the land. That's all.

If the mind set changed and people started demanding that those who abuse hospitality are removed then we would have less trouble.

I think that won't happen. It is impossible to change the current mindset and , so whether there is actual legislation or not, there might as well be.

If the Harehill Mob are not protected by legislation, they are certainly protected by the mindset that believes no migrant should be returned for bad behaviour.

That mindset is here to stay and so we can look forward to more of the same.

Nope, many illegal people arriving in their thousands. Conveniently losing their paperwork and almost exclusively male. It's one thing to provide welfare for your own population, whether they're pensioners or low-earners, and quite another to support the lives of people whose culture is often fundamentally opposed to ours. I'm not saying they are all 100% awful but when you import swathes of people from backwards cultures (and yes they are backwards, why would they want to leave otherwise) you are going to end up with cultural change for the worse. It's not really surprising.

International law means they can’t be but I agree with you on the difficulty of where we are due to it

@OlgaBracley Get with the programme. They're all doctors and engineers, remember.

They all want to work. They all want to contribute, and pay their taxes, etc.

Our safety should be paramount and importing all these unknowns is dangerous.

Most come from counties where their attitudes to women belong in the Stone Age.

We've got near enough the softest police force in the world and the immigrants know it.

We've got near enough the softest police force in the world and the immigrants know it.

You're not joking. Slight derail from Leeds but I read something very upsetting this evening. Eleven year old girl punched and killed by her adult half-brother, who admitted it in texts to his girlfriend. It's not even going to court. How can you punch and kill a child and just... nothing happens?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13664507/Girl-11-died-punched-heat-moment-half-brother-not-face-charges.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=social-twitter_mailonline

Over the years, Women have fought and died for Women's Rights and now this country is going right back in time with women being treated like dirt by some of these immigrants who live by their own rules and the government is doing sod all to protect us. I think the MP's should hang their heads in shame, they have brought this upon us by welcoming people we don't want.

The children at the heart of the uproar have been returned to wider family. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/23/roma-children-at-centre-of-leeds-unrest-returned-to-extended-family

So got heir own way by kicking off…anyone else this would count against them…

returned to wider family …unbelievable !

The judge didn't return the children because people kicked off. She actually warned against that behaviour. Plus it is a temporary arrangement with another hearing due in August.

That's alright then 🙄

I didn't say anything was "alright". Just pointing out facts.

But it is better for the children to be with extended family which the judge (who will have far more knowledge than you or I about the case) has deemed suitable and able to care for them rather than in foster care, is it not?

Hey @IClaudine you follow me around 😝…I post you reply the opposite am flattered…

They tried that already and it didn’t work …this has been going on for months using the extended family …

And you do know we only get a snapshot of what the facts are…it’s not the whole story by any stretch

They played the system and it worked . Used to live in Leeds still have family and friend there …👍people know …

Hmmm...and that is okay then...extended family/family same thing cut from the same cloth...

You flatter yourself, sweetie. Engaging with someone on one thread (I don't think I have engaged with you on any other threads) is not "following you around".🤣🤣🤣

lol 😆

Social services have to act in the best interests of the children. The care system is a mess with poor outcomes, it's generally considered better for the children to remain with their parents if possible or with other family members.

What do you want to happen to the children? Should they be effectively punished and possibly further traumatised because of actions carried out by adults?