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Friend won’t take the hint about my house

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SlovenlyOldSlut · 17/07/2024 09:56

I have a good friend who I met about six years ago, but only really became very friendly with during lockdown, as I was furloughed and she was caring for her sick father, meaning that as two single people, we had a lot of time for messaging and video calls.

As we live on opposite sides of London, we’ve always met centrally or in specific locations rather than visiting one another’s homes. She’s never been to my place; I’ve been to hers once when she had a tribute evening for her father after he died. That was something everyone she knew was invited to; she’s never invited me there one on one. This hasn’t ever been an issue for me, as there’s no point in either of us trekking across the city unless there’s a real reason to go to the other’s house (e.g. a party).

However, lately she has developed a real bugbear about not having been to my house. At every opportunity, it’s “I can’t believe I still haven’t been to your place! We need to sort out a time”. We’ll be making plans for something else and she’ll throw in, “Yeah, let’s do that - and we need to sort out when I’m coming round to yours too! I really want to see your place!” We were looking at an event near to me and it was, “Ooh, great - and I can see your house too! As I STILL haven’t seen it…” (complete with mock hurt face).

Now, I struggle with housework at the best of times. I don’t like mess, but I just get overwhelmed. However, at the moment it’s worse for a variety of reasons. A relative is storing some stuff here while they’re abroad, so I have less space. Everything seems to be breaking at once too. I’ve just bought a new washing machine, so I’m behind with laundry; the fridge freezer is about to die; plus the hob is now taking turns between either refusing to light at all or taking my bloody eyebrows off. The whole house needs time and money spending on it before I’m ready for guests.

I have TOLD my friend this. I tell her every time she brings it up. I’ve been completely honest about why I’m not ready for guests at the moment and have said I’m going to have a party at some point (realistically Christmas) once everything is a bit straighter. She isn’t listening. It’s always “Awwh, I don’t mind; you should see the mess my place is in sometimes!” - or worse “But I could help you! I love tidying up; it’s my thing, I’ll help!” The latter is my worst nightmare - I let another friend “help” once after she made a big thing about being a big declutterer and I wanted to cry within about five minutes.

AIBU to think she needs to respect my feelings for the moment? It’s not about her not being welcome; I don’t want anyone here at the moment. And it’s not like I’m around there every week and never return the hospitality - like I say, I’ve only been there once. I feel like I need to say that this topic is off limits until I say otherwise, even at the risk of offending her, because it’s becoming stressful having to fend this off every time we meet.

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Dayoldbag · 19/07/2024 10:42

OP, so sorry that you have been subjected to so many unkind posts.
Another bullying thread on MN.
I think sending her a text before you next meet making it clear you do not wish to discuss this going forward and if she cannot respect that, perhaps it's better to not meet up.
Pushy people are the worst.
Mind yourself.

SlovenlyOldSlut · 19/07/2024 10:45

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AtrociousCircumstance · 19/07/2024 10:54

Yes @weediamond that was a low blow. That song is so full of compassion so it’s a shame to see you try to use it to be hurtful. And there’s no connection between the OP and the old lady in the song.

T1Dmama · 19/07/2024 10:55

I wish Munster removed the bullies off mumsnet

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weediamond · 19/07/2024 11:01

Sorry, I do apologise. It's just that the OP's attitude changed so much in the wee small hours, and I thought she may have been pissed. It was meant to be a joke, but I can see that it caused hurt and was unfunny. Sorry again.

FofB · 19/07/2024 11:37

OP, take a breath and ignore the bullies.

Look at the poll- most people agree with you.

Yes, it is weird that this person seems desperate to see your house and it's a shame that she isn't self aware enough to realise you have drawn your boundaries.

Formula a sentence in your head- (so that next time she asks you are ready) and just tell her. Just say that you enjoy spending time with her, but if she persists in asking about your home, then you will need to withdraw. Tell her it's something you are working on and when it's ready, you will let her know.

You don't need to justify yourself to your friend, or to anyone on here for that matter!

ShirtyCollar · 19/07/2024 12:40

SlovenlyOldSlut · 19/07/2024 10:01

Well thank you VERY much 🙄

I actually supported you and said your friend should not impose herself on your home. And I don’t think you are a hoarder. I said she isn’t a good friend for forcing this on you.

So not sure I deserved the eye roll. I just pointed out that you are being quite verbally abusive and you are lucky that nobody reported you for calling someone ‘fucking scum’. I wouldn’t insult someone here that way, whatever the provocation.

ShirtyCollar · 19/07/2024 12:42

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And ‘bitter old cows’ is an ageist and sexist insult. Seems like you can give what you get perfectly well. The majority here have not personally insulted you. I think you need some self-awareness.

Maria1979 · 19/07/2024 13:11

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SlovenlyOldSlut · 19/07/2024 13:24

ShirtyCollar · 19/07/2024 12:42

And ‘bitter old cows’ is an ageist and sexist insult. Seems like you can give what you get perfectly well. The majority here have not personally insulted you. I think you need some self-awareness.

And I haven’t personally insulted the majority. I really don’t need your schoolmarm routine.

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godmum56 · 19/07/2024 13:28

Mumof2girls2121 · 18/07/2024 19:53

Politely, you sound like your a hoarder and don’t want to admit to this to yourself

That's not polite even if you preface it with "politely" Its like saying "I am not critical/racist/prejudiced but"

godmum56 · 19/07/2024 13:30

it occurs to me to say something I learned years ago. In friendships, in any kind of relationship, you can only give what you have got. If someone cannot accept that then the friendship can't really go anywhere.

Mollysocks · 19/07/2024 13:44

StayHomePeo · 17/07/2024 10:49

Honestly I’m a bit weird about people coming to my house - we have a running joke that you know I really love you if you can come to ours 😂

I don’t know why I just hate it!

DH invited the neighbour and his kids over to play with DCs in the garden without me knowing - it was actually really cute but I was irrationally fuming when I came home and they were in the garden

I do too @StayHomePeo I think it’s because before we moved, a neighbour I got friendly with used to invite herself over and then never leave, and I am a person who needs to be alone to recharge! Pop over used to be hours, I finally got a backbone one day and told her to go.

MoodyMargaret11 · 19/07/2024 21:23

FictionalCharacter · 19/07/2024 01:47

It’s one of the MN obsessions unfortunately. Anyone over 50 who behaves badly has dementia, any woman over 40 who gets annoyed about something is perimenopausal, and any woman who has an untidy house is a hoarder!

Some of the posts here telling you that you should give in to your friend and invite her round are pretty much bullying.

Spot on

HiEarthlings · 20/07/2024 20:32

ichifanny · 17/07/2024 10:24

Honestly just try sort your house out , I have been there with house mess and it’s so much more freeing to be able to invite people in and not worry about anyone seeing the state you live in . You are anxious about your house and projecting onto and blaming your friend . It’s much easier to solve the main problem than fall out with people.

If only things were that easy....

HiEarthlings · 20/07/2024 20:45

greenpolarbear · 17/07/2024 10:49

This just makes me glad I don't live in London, you only need to pass through to feel the hostility from the people who live there. In no other place in the world would people actively try to keep their friends at arm's length from their homes to the point they've never even been once in several years (and even then try to find more ways to justify it as if the other person is the problem). They're your friend, not your MIL or a Jehovah's witness.

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What a ridiculous comment. I don't live in London. I was born in the Midlands and now live in Staffordshire, but I hate people coming to my home. It's not untidy or anything like that, but it's my sanctuary and not a free for all! My partner and my immediate family (kids and grandkids) are welcome, but anyone else can sod off! It's nothing to do locality and everything to do with personal space and comfort levels.

HiEarthlings · 20/07/2024 20:58

Pelani · 17/07/2024 11:04

At a certain point if you feel close to someone as a friend, it feels natural to want to see their base and where they spend their time, the choices they’ve made in terms of location/setting, the books/plants/art/whatever they’ve chosen to have around them, and to show them yours - it’s just a natural progression of the friendship. I’ve got friends in another city and we don’t visit often, but since we’ve each seen each other’s places, we can easily picture each other going about our day to day when we talk.

Yes it’s possible that some people have an unpleasant agenda or are busybodies - that story about the woman who photographed dust on the skirting board is awful - but in a way that’s why inviting someone home feels like stepping up the friendship, because you’re showing you trust them and you don’t think they’re that kind of person.

In a world that mostly isn’t full of shelters, it’s also nice if you become good friends and live reasonably close by to have a kind of occasional ‘shelter’ or comfy place beyond your own home where you can curl up on the sofa, drink tea, chat etc - a cafe just isn’t the same. In my experience, yes it can be extra work to host, but if you like someone there’s also really something nice about taking care of them. I used to live near where I worked and a couple of work friends who hadn’t been to my house before were in the office one day when I wasn’t and got soaked in the rain. It was nice to be able to invite them to mine to dry off, have a hot drink etc, and be a bit of a sanctuary at that moment, when they’d done other nice things for me.

She shouldn’t be pushy, and ultimately it’s up to you, but there are a few posts on this thread that make it sound like seeing a friend’s house is a totally unnecessary extra to a friendship. That’s not my feeling about it at all.

It may not be your feeling but then you're not the legislator of all things friendship related. Not once have I ever felt that I had to see a friend's home in order keep or progress a friendship. All my friendships have been based on mutual interests and similar personalities. As my, or my friends, interests do not involve studying other people's living arrangements or examining their decor choices, the "need" to visit each others homes is not high on our lists.....

SlovenlyOldSlut · 20/07/2024 23:37

So not sure I deserved the eye roll. I just pointed out that you are being quite verbally abusive and you are lucky that nobody reported you for calling someone ‘fucking scum’. I wouldn’t insult someone here that way, whatever the provocation.

I wonder who possibly could have been that bored?

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Ilovecleaning · 21/07/2024 01:48

LolaJ87 · 17/07/2024 10:04

Your house, your boundaries. If you don't want anyone around, that's your choice. That being said, I would find it odd if I hadn't been invited to someone's home after years of friendship. I don't think she wants to judge you on how efficient your hob is working, just to see how where you live. It sounds like the longer it goes on, the more it's becoming a "thing".

My house is a shambles with a toddler and an elderly dog, but whenever I get stressy about people seeing it I remember that they're there to see me, not my dusty skirting boards.

Is this friend judgemental or is it just something you're anxious about?

I would find it odd if I hadn’t been invited to someone’s house
Not really. This is pretty normal in London. My daughter has lived there for more than 15 years and she has a lot of friends whom she meets up with but they don’t visit each others homes.

T1Dmama · 21/07/2024 12:02

it’s Pretty normal around the country these days … I have a friend of more than 20 years, she’s never been in my house…

I have several friends, in fact the majority of my friends have never been in my house… why is it so essential we visit bricks and mortar to so many people on mumsnet? People lecturing saying ‘they’re not there to judge your house, they’re there to see you’… well if that’s the case surely seeing OP anywhere is acceptable ?!?…. Why does it have to be at her house where she’s clearly stated several times she isn’t comfortable being visited?!?
It doesn’t Matter if @SlovenlyOldSlut lives in a messy house or a bloody 56 room palace with an army of cleaners working for her, the issue is SHE DOES NOT WANT GUESTS….. everyone trying to make her feel ashamed are bullies … she’s stated she is storing stuff for a family member which is the mess the describes and wants to do some home repair…. But actually the reasons don’t matter one tiny bit!! OP has told this friend several times she doesn’t want house guests and she’s continued to ignore OP and try to wangle her way into her home.
No @SlovenlyOldSlut you would not be unreasonable to be a bit blunt, I would simply tell her and try to make a joke of it… something like next time she asks reply with a jokey ‘should I be concerned you have memory loss / hearing loss / light loss because you’ve forgotten / not heard / not seen texts where I’ve previously said a million times that I don’t want people round my house until I myself INVITE them!!!!
Or a simple OMG friend, you’re relentless!! (Chuckle) and say I feel like we’ve had this conversation a zillion times, and my situation hasn’t changed…. My answer is the same as the other zillion times you’ve ignored my requests to wait till I’M ready!

Engagebrain · 21/07/2024 15:32

I hate visitors and never invite anybody over. The last one dropped a cream scone jam side down on my brand new wool rug and then got down on the floor to rub it with a napkin she'd wiped her mouth with so made the jam disappear but spread lipstick everywhere! That was it for me, no more visitors! Your friend sounds rather nosey to me and she will probably go back and tell everyone about your house.

ZoeLoey · 21/07/2024 17:54

Your overthinking. Just say i don't do visitors ever. Is she friends with the other woman? I wonder if they've been discussing your house as the other woman seems to think it needs cleaning. She probably wants a nose. I'd have my guard up tbh.

Harry12345 · 22/07/2024 01:05

StayHomePeo · 17/07/2024 10:49

Honestly I’m a bit weird about people coming to my house - we have a running joke that you know I really love you if you can come to ours 😂

I don’t know why I just hate it!

DH invited the neighbour and his kids over to play with DCs in the garden without me knowing - it was actually really cute but I was irrationally fuming when I came home and they were in the garden

This is what I’m like, it sends me over the edge, I wish I wasn’t though, I’d love an open house but I can’t cope

Singlepringle1980 · 22/07/2024 07:26

Maybe she senses you have an issue with the house and wants to help? In my book that makes her a great friend. It does sound like you are struggling maybe a little help is what you need? I’m saying this with kindness and not judging at all x