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OK, I need to explain about adrenalin.....

195 replies

sixtyandsomething · 14/07/2024 07:20

It really bugs me when people on MN talk rubbish, and when they don't know simple science - and I KNOW everyone in the country has been taught this, as it is in the GCSE double award, which is the minimum amount of science that is compulsory in England.

It is called fright, flight or fight.

After a scare or injury, you are flooded with adrenalin, which is a hormone that diverts blood from digestion, immune system and other non critical systems. Blood rushes to heart and lungs, getting oxygen into muscles double speed, giving you more power and strength short term than your body can sustain longer term. You don't feel pain, you feel energy and aggression.

Yes, if you are shot in the ear, you first and most natural response is likely to be defiance and retaliation, pushing away security, ignoring danger, gestures of defiance or triumph.

I don't like the man, and I may even be a little bit sorry he wasn't hurt worse, but his reaction is not "unnatural" or "looks staged" or "obviously planned and acted" -on the contrary, it is entirely as you would expect.

OP posts:
Gingerdancedbackwards · 14/07/2024 09:40

Valeriekat · 14/07/2024 09:37

Why not this one?

Because there is no aibu here. We just have someone telling us something

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 09:41

sixtyandsomething · 14/07/2024 09:31

Hence I said ENGLAND

(edited to say, but it is covered in science curriculums all around the world - and certainly in all parts of the UK)

Edited

Actually you said 'everyone in the country'.

gardenmusic · 14/07/2024 09:48

You missed out 'Faint' - that's what I would do if someone shot my ear.

gardenmusic · 14/07/2024 09:51

His name is irrelevant, really, I am not particularly concerned about him, I am just giving people the opportunity to understand basic science a bit better. I am concerned about lack of understanding of something very simple that everyone has covered at school!

Did anyone else snort?

whathasitgottodowiththepriceofoliveoil · 14/07/2024 09:54

LindorDoubleChoc · 14/07/2024 09:38

If you're doing a TAAT can you at least put the subject matter in the thread title?

Thread About A Trump

gardenmusic · 14/07/2024 09:54

People do not want to learn anything - it's by far the most fashionable thing to be proud of one's ignorance and dismiss or belittle or worse anyone who tries to tell you something you didn't know.

Please tell me some more things that I do not know.

whathasitgottodowiththepriceofoliveoil · 14/07/2024 09:54

Gingerdancedbackwards · 14/07/2024 09:40

Because there is no aibu here. We just have someone telling us something

Is there a science forum?

RufustheFactualReindeer · 14/07/2024 09:56

gardenmusic · 14/07/2024 09:54

People do not want to learn anything - it's by far the most fashionable thing to be proud of one's ignorance and dismiss or belittle or worse anyone who tries to tell you something you didn't know.

Please tell me some more things that I do not know.

Thats not what has been happening here

MeAgainAndAgain · 14/07/2024 09:57

YellowphantGrey · 14/07/2024 09:39

You actually said the country. Which isn't just England.

Seems like OP needs a geography lesson about this, which is a very simple fact which has been taught to everyone/some people/those interested in geography, below the age of 7/10/16/18/102, in England/UK/the world since 1850/1929/1998/2024.

YellowphantGrey · 14/07/2024 09:58

gardenmusic · 14/07/2024 09:54

People do not want to learn anything - it's by far the most fashionable thing to be proud of one's ignorance and dismiss or belittle or worse anyone who tries to tell you something you didn't know.

Please tell me some more things that I do not know.

I love to learn. Even more so when I'm being taught something factually correct but when someone starts peppering their lecture with wrong information, how do I know their point is correct?

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 09:59

whathasitgottodowiththepriceofoliveoil · 14/07/2024 09:54

Is there a science forum?

This would be ripped apart in an actual science forum.
They'd expect correct information or a question and a less arrogant attitude.

whathasitgottodowiththepriceofoliveoil · 14/07/2024 10:00

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 09:59

This would be ripped apart in an actual science forum.
They'd expect correct information or a question and a less arrogant attitude.

I'm now checking for a science topic as I think it would be interesting

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 10:02

whathasitgottodowiththepriceofoliveoil · 14/07/2024 10:00

I'm now checking for a science topic as I think it would be interesting

'Science' is a very broad term - despite having a PhD in one area of science I know little in some other areas. 😬🫣😄

NeomDiffuser · 14/07/2024 10:04

Bet you're fun at parties, OP

gardenmusic · 14/07/2024 10:05

es, if you are shot in the ear, you first and most natural response is likely to be defiance and retaliation, pushing away security, ignoring danger, gestures of defiance or triumph.

No, No. I can assure you my first response would be to faint, but then I am an igornurameuss.

Choochoo21 · 14/07/2024 10:05

I don’t like the guy at all (wouldn’t want him seriously harmed though).

But it’s like when people have car crashes or terrorist attacks.

Some people run, some people freeze and some people fight.

The professionals who killed the shooter have trained themselves to use their adrenaline to fight.
Many people in the audience would have ran away or froze.

Trump had the security of his body guards and he also thinks he’s a bit invincible anyway - it’s no wonder that his first instinct was to fight/angry.

It is likely that the reality hit him afterwards and then he got scared.

A few times I have broken up fights or been confronted in an aggressive way (secondary schools and prisons) and I’ve managed to hold it together but later on I’ll have a cry.

MartinsSpareCalculator · 14/07/2024 10:06

Are you always so patronising? I don't think you needed to explain anything really, and AIBU isn't your personal soapbox to broadcast how oh so smart you are.

Pick it up with those who are wrong if you truly feel the need, and reign in the smug a bit.

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 10:07

MartinsSpareCalculator · 14/07/2024 10:06

Are you always so patronising? I don't think you needed to explain anything really, and AIBU isn't your personal soapbox to broadcast how oh so smart you are.

Pick it up with those who are wrong if you truly feel the need, and reign in the smug a bit.

Especially when they have shown themselves to not really be that smart. 🫣

MeAgainAndAgain · 14/07/2024 10:12

gardenmusic · 14/07/2024 09:54

People do not want to learn anything - it's by far the most fashionable thing to be proud of one's ignorance and dismiss or belittle or worse anyone who tries to tell you something you didn't know.

Please tell me some more things that I do not know.

On Mumsnet I am constantly amazed by the amount of learning that is available. Either threads where people are explaining things, or threads where the discussion is fast moving so I screenshot a quote then go away and do my own research on it. Mumsnetters are full of knowledge and my experience is that they are generally happy to share that knowledge.

But when @sixtyandsomething starts a thread saying Mumsnetters are “talking rubbish” and don’t even understand “simple science” then what sort of response was she expecting?

I’ll tell you something she can learn if she’s such a fan of basic knowledge - manners, encouraging language, not being superior, not mocking people for lack of knowledge. I find knowledge of those things much more important than what she perceives to be the ‘correct’ knowledge of adrenaline.

Plus, I’m under 55 and there were no GCSE’s available in my area (in England) for any student. Every single person in my year group had ‘O’ levels and CSEs.

MeAgainAndAgain · 14/07/2024 10:13

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 10:02

'Science' is a very broad term - despite having a PhD in one area of science I know little in some other areas. 😬🫣😄

People like you are perfect for a science topic though!

TheFairyCaravan · 14/07/2024 10:14

sixtyandsomething · 14/07/2024 09:30

ok, whatever, everyone under 55 has done this in GCSE science, everyone over 55 has done this in what was called 3rd year science, it really doesn't matter, the point is people have studied this in school, but some posters either don't remember, or remember but don't understand, or remember and understand but can't use it in real life..

not everyone, obviously - I expect that most of the population do understand this, but it is of great concern when a topic arising on MN and a basic, simple piece of science that you would expect to be universally understood, is shown to be completely misunderstood, in post after post after post

Bollocks have they.

I’m 53, my school year was the last year to take either O’levels or CSEs. I did all 3 sciences at O’level. My sister did Chemistry CSE because you didn’t have to take all 3 sciences back then. You need to do your research better.

Sparklfairy · 14/07/2024 10:18

sixtyandsomething · 14/07/2024 08:17

dont you understand that the wording doesn't matter? There isn't a "correct wording". It is about science. It is about understanding the principle

So a scientist does a study, understands that study, and then writes up said study using completely different words that blur that the meaning of the study completely. Makes sense. Wording doesn't matter as long as the scientist understands, right?

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 10:19

MeAgainAndAgain · 14/07/2024 10:13

People like you are perfect for a science topic though!

Well, it depends on the science topic tbh. Some science interests me more than other science, but having studied any science does help determine how to approach new scientific information.

Werweisswohin · 14/07/2024 10:20

Sparklfairy · 14/07/2024 10:18

So a scientist does a study, understands that study, and then writes up said study using completely different words that blur that the meaning of the study completely. Makes sense. Wording doesn't matter as long as the scientist understands, right?

Yes, accurate wording is really important in scientific writing.

whathasitgottodowiththepriceofoliveoil · 14/07/2024 10:21

MeAgainAndAgain · 14/07/2024 10:13

People like you are perfect for a science topic though!

Yes! It's the experts I'd like to hear from