OK, I need to explain about adrenalin.....

[sixtyandsomething]

It really bugs me when people on MN talk rubbish, and when they don't know simple science - and I KNOW everyone in the country has been taught this, as it is in the GCSE double award, which is the minimum amount of science that is compulsory in England.

It is called fright, flight or fight.

After a scare or injury, you are flooded with adrenalin, which is a hormone that diverts blood from digestion, immune system and other non critical systems. Blood rushes to heart and lungs, getting oxygen into muscles double speed, giving you more power and strength short term than your body can sustain longer term. You don't feel pain, you feel energy and aggression.

Yes, if you are shot in the ear, you first and most natural response is likely to be defiance and retaliation, pushing away security, ignoring danger, gestures of defiance or triumph.

I don't like the man, and I may even be a little bit sorry he wasn't hurt worse, but his reaction is not "unnatural" or "looks staged" or "obviously planned and acted" -on the contrary, it is entirely as you would expect.

It’s fight, flight, freeze, the fawn comes in as a trauma survival response.

Depends how old you are as to whether this was covered in school doesn’t it? Certainly the trauma related aspects are far newer I think.

Again, you are getting caught up in the semantics - it does not have to be 5 Fs, that is just a way of helping some students remember - it isn't anymore right or wrong than saying Fright flight or fight. it is just a way of helping students remember the science. Both mean the same.

The point is, the science!

https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/what-does-fight-flight-freeze-fawn-mean

No mention of the word ‘fright’. The correct words do mention.

On the wider point, the stress response can account for Trump’s behaviour after the shooting. On that I agree with the OP.

'This country' is more than England.

I took physics and chemistry standard grades now known as National 5s in a part if this country where GCSEs don't exist.

We didn't cover biology.

My general knowledge is sufficient though to know about adrenaline.

I agree on your points about Trump but the rest of your post is off.

You’re not a science teacher, are you? 😮

Hmm. Bit more nuanced than that, add in fawning keeps me safe, fawning means you won’t punch me in the face. I think you are describing arse licking /being obsequious.

The "fright" comes first, it is what causes the other reactions. Whether it is included in the list of words depends simply on whether you are using the list of words to remind you of a whole sequence of events, or whether you are listing the consequences of the fright, and not including fright in the mnemonic.

This is like saying Richard Of York Gave Battle In Vain is right, and Really Old Yachts Go Backwards Voluntarily. neither is right or wrong, both are a way of remembering a scientific principle

Long term strategies for survival- picking friends for their ability to protect/advance you- a delayed trauma response, potentially.

I get you, OP.

"and I KNOW everyone in the country has been taught this, as it is in the GCSE double award, which is the minimum amount of science that is compulsory in England."
Aside from the hectoring tone of your post, a lot of posters are having a go at you because the above statement is completely incorrect. A large number of people won't have been taught this at all. In terms of science I studied Biology, Physics, Chemistry O levels (not GCSE's) and adrenaline was NOT part of the curriculum. You don't seem to be able to grasp the fairly basic concept that things that are part of the current school curriculum, may not have always been part of the curriculum. If you are going to lecture people perhaps get your facts right first, otherwise you end up looking like a bit of a twit.

It’s a shame that the OP’s tone is patronising and that they are unwilling to humbly accept they made an error in their first post as it’s a fascinating topic.

Now you’re just being silly.

It’s patronising to tell us that everyone in the country has learned about the adrenal response and factually incorrect. I have single award O level science. It wasn’t double award back in the day. As a mum to a 16 yo, I know 3 children, who either will be sitting or have recently sat single award science because they are not academic enough to sit the double award. Odds on like me, these kids never learned about fight freeze or flight albeit I educated myself on the subject.

I would have thought a marker of GCSEs would know there are a % of kids doing single award and that as the first GCSE was in 1988 and as the average age of death sits around 80, there are a lot of us still alive, who left school before then.

I sincerely hope you are not a teacher, OP.

no, I am not, I am explaining why the exact memory aid being used is just that, a memory aid. There isn't a right one or a wrong one.

The fact is that people genuinely believe that the memory aid itself is the point, rather than the science that it is to help you remember.

This shows a complete misunderstanding of very basic principles, which is what I am posting about. The total misunderstanding of simple principles that everyone has heard in school.

Some people do have factual recall, but are not clear about WHAT they have factually recalled.... which is interesting in itself.

In what role are you marking GCSE’s ?

So you definitely meant to write ‘fright, fight and flight’….a term missing from any google search of the stress response.

You didn’t actually intend to write ‘fight, flight and freeze’…

Okay, Jan.

Ok.

I voted YABU because I wasn't expecting to get a lecture on something I didn't want to be lectured about. Save me from bores!

Also, as others have mentioned, it's a bit rich giving the rest of us a lecture about something you can't even spell correctly. 😂

I think you’re missing the point that your OP was incredibly patronising, implying many posters were stupid while not articulating the point well.

You tried to remind people by using the aide memoire, then failed in doing so - so only picked the relevant points to support your thesis. In this instance, it was okay but failing to look at wider points will sometimes lead you into conspiracy theory and selective truth territory.

Next time, just make your point without trying to be preachy and putting others down and your post will probably land better, for example:

“For those saying the attempted assassination was staged, just remember a known adrenaline response is “fight” which is what I think Trump was demonstrating.”

As it happens, I become incredibly decisive in a crisis and suspect Trump has done the same. He had a few minutes on the floor to think about how he could spin this to his benefit. As a business man he will be used to thinking on his feet and he did a spectacular job of that. I think this might have won him the election (sadly).

You are coming across as an ex school teacher who has inhaled a suppository, yes you are being unreasonable because all you are looking for is a pat on the head

Thanks Felicia 👍

now 👋

simple principles that everyone has heard in school

Come on, at least acknowledge that you are using 'everyone' as a loose term for 'those brought up in the mainstream English GCSE education system'.

Then we can argue about mnemonics (incidentally, do you have an objection to indigo? Admittedly I bet it was shoehorned in because of a strange fondness for sevens, even when dividing up a continuous range).

It really bugs me when people assume that everyone on MN has been through the English schooling system. 🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣

Or those under a different education system?

did anyone bring the popcorn?