Reform has another seat . 5

[hattie43]

Just that , after a recount number 5 seat has been secured.

Ah well, looking on the bright side Reforms 5 MP's cancel out the 5 Independent "Free Palestine" MP's so Status Quo reestablished.

The trouble is though Reform evolved from UKIP, and they appear to come across like the BNP, I find that hard to swallow as I grew up in a part of London that had real division exacerbated by their hateful politics, it was not a nice atmosphere at all, fostering fear and division everywhere, I don’t know how anyone can vote for that.

You obviously didn’t read my post properly 🤦‍♀️
I said (some of) the people who ‘vote’ reform are (probably) quite intelligent, not the actual members of it or their supporters.
They are using their vote as a voice. People do it all the time with all parties. It makes the other parties think about some of the points raised by those parties.
I voted Green by the way before anyone jumps on me and accuses me of all sorts of crap.

Isn't it strange that when the left challenges the right they're deemed controlling and abusive but when the right challenges the left they're perfectly entitled to their opinion?

And creating an atmosphere of social coercion is literally the rights modus operandi. More than once I've been labled a "woke lefty", been accused of undermining "our culture/values/country, and been told I'm not a true Brit because I don't subscribe to right leaning peoples views on immigration, equality, climate, economy, etc, etc.

@Shakeoffyourchains

From the left on this thread alone we've had
' thick as pig shit ' the ' scum of Jaywick.

That's not the left challenging the right that's being downright nasty which seems to be much more prevalent from the left .

Our current system gave us 10 years of unstable Tory govts and awful Tory MPs.

The 5th seat - James- is someone I know. He is just as shocked as everyone else… which isn’t a good sign to me. I don’t think he’s properly even thought it through.

Bloody marvellous 🤦🏼‍♀️

Instead of insulting Reform voters for being stupid or racist, or simply trying to ignore the fact that 14% voted for them, the other parties, and the media, need to counter what Farage and other Reform leaders say - which is often untrue.

As importantly they need to address the root causes of Reform voter discontent - cost of living, poor housing, poor social services, unemployment, in-work poverty etc - so that they can not be used by Farage & Co to blame others - those who are migrants, not English, not str8 etc.

Farage knows full well that legal migrants are vital to keep the NHS, for example, running and that it is needed for economic growth. But he pretends otherwise so he can blame all the country's problems on them.

Regardless of who you vote for, you'd have to have your head completely in the sand to not realise that reform took over 4.1 million votes in this election.

Labours landslide isn't quite the landslide it appears to be. I suspect the majority of reform votes are conservative voters. People who feel politically homeless since they've managed to royally screw things up this last 14 years.

The Tory party aren't right wing. They're marginally right of centre. People who are right wing aren't racist. Some people are, regardless of the political views.

I voted reform this time and I'm perfectly happy to admit it. I've voted Tory in the past. I have voted labour also.

The Labour Party need to wake up and understand that over 4 million people voted for a party that they felt was the closest to them politically with the views that they feel are important. Not wanting to support mass migration is not racist. It's about supporting the people who are in this country first. We are on our knees with public services, lack of dentists, housing, doctors etc. The Tory's frantically increased migration rather than invest in home grown talent. And by doing so, didn't just open up visas to those on skills shortage lists, but to their families too. It's a joke. Yes, we have skills shortages. We need to invest in growing that talent here. With the people who are here. Whether they were born here or not is neither here nor there.

Exactly. I can’t say any more as I will put myself but as someone that knows him, and now has him as my MP, I’m not very hopeful. 🤦🏻‍♀️

It’s funny how some people assume that people who voted for Reform have sub standard intelligence. It’s quite patronising really!

I'm interested to understand what actual positive change Nigel Farage would bring - nobody I know in RL can even explain what they're voting for them.

Just need to think of a way of ensuring Farage doesn't disrupt with his huge, self promoting gob.

"Isn't it strange that when the left challenges the right they're deemed controlling and abusive but when the right challenges the left they're perfectly entitled to their opinion?

And creating an atmosphere of social coercion is literally the rights modus operandi. More than once I've been labled a "woke lefty", been accused of undermining "our culture/values/country, and been told I'm not a true Brit because I don't subscribe to right leaning peoples views on immigration, equality, climate, economy, etc, etc."

Yes it's very strange that a loud mouthed group of hypocrites on the left seem unable to "challenge" people on the opposite side of the political spectrum without resorting to abuse. Why can't people stick to "challenging" politicians, why does it need to devolve into attacking another persons vote?

I mean "woke lefty"? Come on. I don't even know what that stupid word "woke" is even supposed to mean anymore but "lefty"? lefty. It's hardly comparable to the utter bile we've seen on this very thread. Yeah... we're left leaning.. lefty ffs 😭

And yes, we all know there are loud mouths on the right who talk shit about "remoaners" etc.. what has that got to do with calling out poor behaviour amongst people who I politically align with? How pathetic to deflect instead of encouraging accountability and expecting higher standards from the morality police.
It's the hypocrisy that gets me, the enlightened, progressive never-wrongs who don't realise that they're the exact same, the opposite cheek of the same arse. Always with a side order of moral superiority with no self reflection.

Again, we've all heard of the shy Tory but if the right are just as bad then where are all the shy Labours?

Then it follows that they are also allowed to have the view that Reform voters are stupid.
It works both ways. You have the right to vote for any horrible extremist party you like. Others also have the right to judge you for it. That's fair. You can also judge them based on how they voted.

What is evened out @Rizzo81?

If you're sick of anything I suspect it's of being buried in your social media echo chamber. Winding eachother up with fear mongering propaganda. People on the left are just as susceptible to it as those on the right. And left wing politicians and media sources are just as likely to exploit that.

Once you step back into the real world and touch grass you'll realised the vast majority of people are just normal folk doing their best to get by. They won't always get it right, none of us do. But you'll find if you behave with a basic level of decency instead of degrading them with baseless accusations then most are capable of growing as people... you might even find that you learn something too 😱

@Kikisparks - you said:

Green and Reform are at opposite ends of the political spectrum. Reform want:

• Death penalty returned
• Out of the ECHR (mechanism to hold govt to account on human rights violations)
• Out of Equality Act (mechanism to hold govt, public authorities, employers etc to account over sex/race/sexual orientation etc discrimination
• Women to stay at home with children and not go to work
• Privatisation of the NHS
• Abandon climate targets and climate charge policies.

I can't see anything about the death penalty or women staying at home with children. Can you share a link to the manifesto you've seen?

Like you don't make certain assumptions about people based on their politics? Go on with you. Everybody does that.

If you vote for an undeniably bigoted party, it's fair to assume that you are either a bigot and/or a not the brightest bulb in the box.

”assume” there is my point exactly.
I didn’t vote for Reform.

Go on with you @XChrome no, not everyone does that at all. I don't give it a second thought if someone votes differently to me.. it's not my vote, it's none of my business.

You making a load of assumptions doesn't make anything 'undeniable' at all. Those people just came to different conclusions to me. We all vote for what suits us, it's how it works and those people had different priorities to me.

We've also had the right accusing the left of being paedophile apologists on here but as I said earlier, your confirmation bias will make you see what you want to see.

I certainly wouldn't say its more prevalent of the left either, I mean I've never seen anyone on the left use a video of a disabled man on an autism march to mock labour voters, unlike the below reform supporters.

It's going to be very interesting having farage in the commons.

Umm I can assure you lulu, that raising the personal tax allowance would 100 %benefit me!!

Yes it may give higher earners more but I don't really think that would bother me when it was definitely benefit me on a lower wage!

Myahe · Today 18:23
What's so awful about Reform

Racist, homophobic misogynists not enough for you?