Reform has another seat . 5

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Just that , after a recount number 5 seat has been secured.

Absolutely.

Are you suggesting that Reform is the party of literally any racism whatsoever, regardless of colour?

@RamsayBoltonsConscience well he is now your MP, so you have every right to contact him about local issues that concern you, I would be making him work for that title. He is there to represent all his constituents, so fill your boots

I know a lovely lovely softy softy labour voter. But if you followed her online the aggression and anger and vitriol towards others is crazy. In real she’s a hippy dippy love the world. On the internet she’s a crazy monster.

From speaking to many people I think many voted Reform knowing they were unlikely to get in post, as it was a protest vote against the main parties.

My friend and I have been planning just that! We have some prolific fly tippers in the area so he will be getting photos and emails, he'll hear all about my bins, there's no bookshops in this area I'll be encouraging him to speak to the council about developing this, I work in a school so he'll be hearing about underfunding and the SEN crisis, pot holes and I'm open to any other suggestions...

I’m sure they’ll be found out now, more scrutiny, having to actually do some work in their constituencies.

Now Farage is an MP, he'll have to declare his income and pay his taxes in the UK.

The situation in Boston indicates clearly that there is strong racism against some ethnic groups, which are 'white'- East Euorpeans.

open racism and discrimination against some ethnic or national groups?

Confirmation bias and the ability to turn a blind eye to the things you don't want to see will do that to ya.

It’s not a short space of time, though, is it? They have ancestors in the BNP, and evolved directly from UKIP and the Brexit Party. I took heart from the fact that they polled about 12.6% in the 2015 General Election as UKIP, and only just over 14% this time, the difference between about 3.8million and 4.0million votes. So if you look at it this way, it’s hardly a meteoric rise of the far right, just a rise of less than less than 2% over nearly 10 years; perhaps a sign that support for them has about reached its peak.

It also good to remember that they will now have to lay the sources of their funding bare to Parliament. I have no doubt they think they’re clever enough to hide it, but truth has a habit of coming out, especially when people are highly motivated to look for it.

@RamsayBoltonsConscience Excellent It really annoys me when people moan about stuff in their local area and you ask them if they have contacted their local MP and they look blank. Not happy about a local issue, get in touch with them, make them work for their wage, they chose to do the job !

Not sure why you're baffled?

I said I could see why some of their manifesto points could appeal to people, not that I agreed with them all.

It's possible to see a view, even if you don't agree with it.

Though many on this thread just sink to insulting voters who vote differently, further developing the wedge of resentment.

It's exactly what happened with Brexit.

I still don't understand all the hate, when they are appealing to a shocking amount considering they're such a new party.

If you ask here, everyone voted Remain, but that obviously wasn't the case...

Talking of Brexit, one of Nigel's pet projects, how is that panning out for people in his constituency ?

This is my take away too tbh.
Ever since the brexit referendum I've been looking around at people who I supposedly align with politically and keep thinking 'WTF?' They cannot fathom that other people could've possibly thought things through, weighed up the options and come up with a different opinion to them or decided that their priorities are different to theirs so the only explanation is that they're 'thick' 'racist' or otherwise 'bigoted'.
No, those brexiters or reform voters must've swallowed a load of propaganda that's why... no hint of self reflection at all, no consideration of the fact that they too have swallowed a load of fear mongering and propaganda from their own preferred media/politicians.
And always with the undertone of the working classes being thick ignorant or uneducated.

We all know the old "shy Tory" thing. Why is that? I've never heard of a shy Labour, shy Lib Dem or shy Green? Because too many people on the left are abusive and controlling. Despite the many accusations that people on the right being "fascists". It makes me sick as a left leaning person because I don't want to vote for or encourage this nasty insidious attitude.

Understand this people of Mumsnet. You are entitled to one vote. You don't get to abuse other people for voting differently to you. Creating an atmosphere of social coercion is repugnant.

You don't get to abuse other people for voting differently to you. Creating an atmosphere of social coercion is repugnant

Well said.

Any judgement should be aimed at the politicians creating a zeitgeist of mistrust and doom, not each other.

Exactly this, I'm all for thoroughly scrutinising politicians but I'm getting so sick of the disgusting attacks on fellow citizens who are exercising their legal right to vote.

I’m baffled because as a Green voter there is an entire page in the Reform manifesto on how damaging net zero is. So either you’re a climate denying Green voter, which is completely ridiculous because the Green policies aren’t cost effective unless you’re wanting far greater urgency on climate action. Or you’re a Green voter realise the urgency for climate action, back their funding for their policies but somehow don’t see the disinformation on that page of the manifesto. A policy based on disinformation is not a good policy. Which is it?

The headlines appeal to people because people are in hard times. They distrust politicians (for obvious reasons) and Nigel Farage capitalises on that and directs it to the people he doesn’t like. He preys on the vulnerable for his own gain.

Have two friends who live in Reform seats areas. Clacton and Boston & Skegness. Neither are happy. Didn’t vote for them

The Clacton friend is blaming the scum in Jaywick for this.

Well, I’m getting sick of the disgusting racism. So I guess it all evens out.

Protest vote, Hate the Tories but won't vote Labour.

You don't get to abuse other people for voting differently to you. Creating an atmosphere of social coercion is repugnant

I am just glad if people actually get out there and vote, I am even happier if people engage with their local MP about local or national issues they aren't happy about, regardless of how they voted or whichever party their MP affiliates with. MP's work for us, they get paid double the national average ( plus generous perks ) so make them earn that money ! They might not be a member of the party you personally voted for, but they still have to work for all their constituents

How can you broadly state that all Reform voters must be 'thick'?

Believing an elitist, bigoted conman who has spent his entire life grifting, dividing, and causing trouble and who has dubious extremely dubious business dealings, has their best interests at heart, isn't the mark of intelligence tbh.

I mean reform voters have either taken the manifesto pledges at face value or read it fully and ignored the glaring issues and completely undeliverable nature of what's in there.

Maybe if you were more open minded and listened to every point of view

Frankly, after almost a decade of listening to the same few points being made over and over again, I'm tired of listening.

I dread to think how much time I've spent engaging on these topics and showing, with evidence and facts, that the poor/disabled/left/migrants are not the reason life is tough, only to have it completely dismissed because another rich elitist shouts a three-word slogan.

You can give the proletariat a peek behind the curtain, but you can't make them believe what they refuse to see.

Get in early whilst they are still keen