Reform has another seat . 5

[hattie43]

Just that , after a recount number 5 seat has been secured.

👏👏 good. They will be a check to Labour.

Spot on.

The amount of people that would vote solely on looks or someone that acts the entertaining fool is scary. I wonder if that's how they judge people in RL - tbh that would explain reality TV at least.'

Shallow AF.

They will create merry hell and as much disruption / noise as they can . Of that I have no doubt

They are awful. Some people are thick as pig shit

I don't agree.

I don't necessarily support FPTP but there are democratic arguments in favor of it. It usually results in the most popular party forming the government. PR systems, on the other hand, more often result in coalition governments, following backroom negotiations between the parties. So while PR results in more representative parliaments (or equivalent), they often produce a government that nobody voted for.

In one of the few times FPTP returned a coalition government in the UK, it notably resulted in Lib Dem voters feeling absolutely betrayed, but that's the nature of coalitions.

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Why would they care about the policies? Reform are never going to win power. It's a big "fuck you - we are not happy" message.

And this about the fourth time now. Brexit. Blue wall. Etc etc.

We need to start engaging with the complaints and concerns of economically depressed towns instead of calling them names.

Meanwhile, there's the entertainment of watching Farage & Co face scrutiny.

Yes of course black or Asian people can be racist. Were you asleep whilst Braverman was Home Secretary?

But I don't think many POC vote Reform UK PLC. If you look at the audience for Farage's events in the run up to the GE, you will notice something.

Insulting people never changes their mind .

Yes that's what I think.

It's like we're stuck in this big repeating cycle of protest voting.

keir starmer was happy to support Jeremy Corbin and his antisemitic buddies and many of them are still MPs. I don’t think any party would survive guilt by association with racists.

I don’t support Reform but I’m fed up of people demonizing people they don’t agree with. I think there is a serious issue here that people don’t feel the mainstream parties represent them.

Keep thinking that and keep insulting Reform voters. You are in for a big surprise come 2029.

How? They have five seats. Labour has a massive majority.

Insulting people never changes their mind

Absolutely right. It just entrenches people.

It’s my bloody constituency as well, absolutely mortified. I’m genuinely concerned that according to figures Reform got 14% of the vote!

I've just read the thread and this is my main takeaway. I didn't vote reform, I wouldn't vote reform but seriously..insult people and get their backs up and they'll go from strength to strength. It's not rocket science!!

You have swallowed their trip, lock, stock and barrel, haven't you. Mos of the immigration is legal, and to fill jobs Brits are unwilling or unable to do.

I remember arriving in a ski resort in the USA- the Mayor and pals had had a massive clean out of much of the migrant workers, some who were illegal, but most who were legit. They were so pleased and proud of themselves! Then ski season started and they realised they had no-one to work in Hôtels, laundery, restaurants and catering, bars, ski lift and snow clearance, patrols, etc. The resort had to close and they lost tons of money and investment. And they didn't have to have staff for care homes, care in the Community, hospitals, etc. The country would fall apart if we sent legal migrants back- and there will be massive shortages if they are not allowed to bring their families with them. Would you move to do a job, and particularly a difficult, perhaps unpleasant one, long hours, low pay AND have to leave your children and spouse behind? Bet you would not. Why should they?

It is the infrastructure that has not been adjusted. Huge new estates with no schools or surgeries, or transport, etc, all over the place. And massive under-investment added to huge cut-backs.

People are voting for them because they appeal to their base responses to everything- which is to blame immigrants for all the woes in our society and the world- housing shortage, NHS collapsing, GP issues, school places, difficulties seeing an NHS dentist, waiting lists, cost of benefits, not being able to get jobs.
They lie blatantly- their claim that they would raise Personal Allowance levels and this would mainly benefit the lowest earners is rubbish- the people who would gain most are the highest earners because the second bit of the plan is they would raise the point at which higher tax rates would be kick in to £70,000. Higher earners would benefit hugely because they'd get both benefits.

Most people don't understand, because they haven't bothered to, that Reform have neither the capacity, the infrastructure or properly costed plans to achieve anything they say they would. Under scrutiny, their manifesto promises were shown to be unachievable.

Like the Tories, they exist to benefit the wealthy more than anyone but they need and are targeting the votes of the young and lowest paid- promising lower taxes, fewer immigrants so there are more houses, more jobs available. It;s all rubbish but people have fallen for it- the same disenfranchised people who voted for Brexit in their hordes and those who are just racists - whether they realise it or not.

Exactly Labour got majority, you dont have to worry about measly 5 seats Reform got. Why you are even bothering to comment here? There is nothing to worry about...

I thought we were supposed to be in for a big shock yesterday according to Reform posters on here?

Sorry to clarify, by 'people' I was referring to Reform voters and those who would have voted Reform had they voted, or were on the fence.

Yes apparently the tide was turning.

Isn't it great to be able to insult people freely! Well done, you!

Why expect to be entertained by politicians, or to require our elected representatives to boast dazzling personalities?
When I hear someone say "I quite like X party, but Z MP is so boring / lacklustre / dull!" I confess that I judge the f u c k out of that person.

There is nothing to worry about in the Parliamentary sense. Reform UK PLC will have no influence within Parliament.

But I worry about the fact that 4 million people hold views which disgust me and make my fellow citizens afraid. Farage himself frightens me. He is really dangerous.