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To remind everyone after the celebrations subside to apply the same level of scrutiny to a Labour Govt as was applied to the last Tory administration?

196 replies

Axelfoleyreturns · 05/07/2024 12:02

As someone who lived through the Blair years it was not a nirvana.

There was a similar amount of cronyism in play, cabinet members who had an odd relationship with the truth (looking at Peter Mandelson here - who was reappointed despite being proven to be very untrustworthy ) and not to mention going to war based upon a document of fiction. Unchecked power, regardless of which party is in charge is never satisfactory.

And at the end of the last Labour reign there was no money left, no bankers held accountable for their stupidity because of Blair’s pandering to the city with ‘light-touch legislation’ (indeed we actually paid them and helped them save themselves) and having handed the keys to the economy to the Bank of England, no gold left because the chancellor had sold it all, and a legacy of funding facilitated by kicking the can down the road for hospitals schools in various guises including PFI. So when there are comments about austerity, the lack of access to benefits including child benefit being limited to 2 children, the closure of sure start centres and a lack of funding for councils we need to remind ourselves how this position of austerity arose - and it is not the sole fault of the Tories as much as we’d love to think. The Tories didn’t introduce tuition fees or open the borders to East Europe - a decision that cost a lot of existing UK skilled workers their jobs. Neither did they stop right to buy or build any significant amount of social housing. Blair left office and promptly became the richest ex-prime minister we’ve ever had and now heads ‘The Tony Blair Institute’ which employs more than 600 people. At least Gordon Brown had the decency to stick to his principles and seems to have lived those principles.

And before a whole load of people post GDP growth etc under the Blair years consider the impact that the world economy has had in that time. Personally I was the richest I ever was under Blair - he was cautious on taxation and I even received child benefit despite being a high earner. No one considered if this was fair under Labour - but was one of the first things to go under the Tory coalition. Maybe had Labour considered this years before it wouldn’t have been necessary to penalise the less well off or limit that benefit to 2 children. They could have introduced that change and lost no votes. No Labour administration at the time wanted to or even attempted to make ‘the rich pay’. There were many, many missed opportunities.

My point is this - scrutiny is now more important than ever as decisions are taken that affect all parts of society. Women’s rights being a key issue. Moving forward and regardless of your politics, be that person who speaks up and continues applying the same pressure for transparency and accountability as was demanded of the last administration. Labour has one chance to get this right before they lose momentum and before the county lurches to the right again.

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ll09sm · 05/07/2024 13:31

Labour are about to mess up the economy even more than it has been done by the Tories. But hey it’s ok, since they’ll be giving more handouts and freebies, it’s all good.

MN will be happy

Oldcroneandthreewitches · 05/07/2024 13:31

ll09sm · 05/07/2024 13:31

Labour are about to mess up the economy even more than it has been done by the Tories. But hey it’s ok, since they’ll be giving more handouts and freebies, it’s all good.

MN will be happy

Yep

SlothOnARope · 05/07/2024 13:33

YABU but only because public scrutiny of politics can't remain the same, it needs to be amped up massively. Not just because it's Labour.

Weaning ourselves off drivelling media, switching brains on and asking questions is the first step.

Cantgetausername87 · 05/07/2024 13:37

Isn't there a point where we need to say enough is enough, of course they will be scrutinised, the country has spoken come together and get on with it?
Or does that only apply to brexit/ when the tories are in power?
The amount of bleating and moaning. Labour are the new government. They've been voted in and secured a clear majority.

Cantgetausername87 · 05/07/2024 13:38

ll09sm · 05/07/2024 13:31

Labour are about to mess up the economy even more than it has been done by the Tories. But hey it’s ok, since they’ll be giving more handouts and freebies, it’s all good.

MN will be happy

How do you know this? How can ypu possibly know they're going to do worse than truss?

Treesdostandtall · 05/07/2024 13:39

What a joyless post. What - you aren’t going to give them a bit of leeway at the start? A moment to celebrate after 14 years in opposition?

Also - comparing now to after 2008 is pointless. After 14 years the Tories have well and truly poisoned the proverbial well. They’ll need time and good luck to get anything done.

Leniriefenstahl · 05/07/2024 13:42

Oldcroneandthreewitches · 05/07/2024 12:12

Typically history shows us that Labour only do one term a pop. They are only really good as opposition.

Sorry but that is bollocks.

aridiculousargument · 05/07/2024 13:44

FinalCeleryScheme · 05/07/2024 12:38

I think you underestimate Starmer’s determination and drive. I reckon this government will demonstrate Olympic standards of shitness, venality and nastiness within a year. Oh, and superhuman standards of lying, worse even than New Labour’s.

Venality? Nastiness? From Keir Starmer? You should walk away from the coffee

aridiculousargument · 05/07/2024 13:45

Also Keir Starmer isn’t Tony Blair, wtf is this post on about

Leniriefenstahl · 05/07/2024 13:46

ll09sm · 05/07/2024 13:31

Labour are about to mess up the economy even more than it has been done by the Tories. But hey it’s ok, since they’ll be giving more handouts and freebies, it’s all good.

MN will be happy

There’s no money left for freebies and handouts. Tories have spent frittered it. But don’t worry they’re following Tory spending plans.
Have you ever claimed child benefit, sick pay, maternity pay or a pension ?

OriginalUsername2 · 05/07/2024 13:48

Let them get in the door ffs.

Rebusmyfire · 05/07/2024 13:51

All media will be digging and crawling all over Labour. You don't need to worry. The Daily Mail have been rehearsing all week.

Leniriefenstahl · 05/07/2024 13:53

I sadly wonder how many of these posters actually care about the country. Surely it’s in everyone’s interests to make things work again, sort things out.
It’s not a bloody football match with a winning side.

BruFord · 05/07/2024 13:54

aridiculousargument · 05/07/2024 13:45

Also Keir Starmer isn’t Tony Blair, wtf is this post on about

@aridiculousargument I think the OP is simply making the point that people were euphoric in 1997 and many were later disappointed with the Labour governments. I was a young adult and clearly remember the reaction. Although it was a far more positive time back then, the NHS wasn’t on its knees and we had freedom of movement in the EU for a start, which was great for my age group.

ILikeDinosaurs · 05/07/2024 14:37

We have a mostly Tory supporting press. Labour ALWAYS gets scrutinised far more harshly than the Tories.

Churchview · 05/07/2024 14:38

Cantgetausername87 · 05/07/2024 13:38

How do you know this? How can ypu possibly know they're going to do worse than truss?

So many posters pretending to be able to see the future and predicting gloom based on........oh, nothing.

We have been so accustomed to the low standards and incompetence of the outgoing party that some posters assume all are the same.

Churchview · 05/07/2024 14:39

BruFord · 05/07/2024 13:54

@aridiculousargument I think the OP is simply making the point that people were euphoric in 1997 and many were later disappointed with the Labour governments. I was a young adult and clearly remember the reaction. Although it was a far more positive time back then, the NHS wasn’t on its knees and we had freedom of movement in the EU for a start, which was great for my age group.

I was euphoric in 1997 and, despite all the ups and downs subsequently I still look back on the many things Labour achieved for ordinary people during that time and see how unfavourably the last 14 years compare.

BruFord · 05/07/2024 14:45

@Churchview I agree that times were better for many people.

Underthinker · 05/07/2024 14:45

ImPunbelievable · 05/07/2024 12:34

Other than the first Labour government, they have always survived a second election.

  • 29 - 3 elections in power (inc national gov)
  • 45 - 2 elections in power
  • 64 - 2 elections in power
  • 74- 4 elections in power
  • 97- 5 elections in power

Are you sure?
I thought there were GEs in 97, 2001, and 2005. That's 3 terms not 5.

Axelfoleyreturns · 05/07/2024 14:50

aridiculousargument · 05/07/2024 13:45

Also Keir Starmer isn’t Tony Blair, wtf is this post on about

I hope he isn't but there are many similarities - a genial white, middle-class male who is also an ex Barrister before becoming an MP, having to deal with a very left-wing deputy PM, having to deal with the Unions trying to force the agenda and the 'I'll do my best to serve' none-specific rhetoric etc etc. He seemed like a lovely, ordinary, inoffensive chap but turned out to have ambitions for a world-stage career after being PM of this nation becoming insanely rich in the process. No one watching him ride the 'Cool Brittania' wave predicted that (with the exception of the late Queen who tbf, did seem to have the measure of him).

I'm not trying to piss on anyone's hopeful chips, but I'm pointing out that the last time Labour was in power, it wasn't the poorest in society that benefitted the most. Yes Doctors were happy (particularly GP's who had the mother of all pay rises which required them to do less than before on significantly more money) Not so much for the NHS dentists who were royally stuffed and this led to the rise of private dentistry. Tony Blair was not immune to public worker strikes either - and nor will Kier Starmer be after the dawning realisation that the country cannot afford to give everything to all people immediately....and it is at this point I predict that the situation will become precarious in terms of support for Labour in the areas which are the most economically deprived. Farage is a massive bigotted twat but he has a seemingly limitless supply of people (since Blair opened the borders using his massive majority) who want to blame everyone who doesn't look like them or sound like them for their situation. The rise of the far right will be the ongoing issue for the country IMO - and just like other European countries, we are not immune to it. So yes, we need to get behind the country (as we did last time) but also ensure that the policies introduced make actual sense and are fair. KS has no chance 'stopping the small boats' and it won't be his priority either but something has to change to stop Farage focussing on it. Maybe KS needs to actively invite those pissing outside of the tent in, because otherwise the next election will be an absolute disaster.

I'm happy with having the blandest of people in charge providing they are honest with the electorate - which I don't think KS has been on any issue really - including women's rights. Paying for anything including creating national energy companies, clean water, clean power, improving infrastructure, education and improving the NHS will need tax rises. And he has been spectacularly non-specific about how Labour is going to pay for it all. Recruitment of teachers? It isn't solely a pay/workload/OFSTED situation that makes teachers leave (though none of that helps), it's the utter abuse that Teachers have to take from parents and kids every single day. I've no idea where he thinks he's going to magic up 6500 extra teachers from. Been to a hospital lately? Seen the behaviour of other service users towards NHS staff? How do we begin to fix that? It is a societal issue not just a funding one. At the end of the day, it's all well and good assuming the richest will foot the bill, but the richest also have access to options to move elsewhere leaving the squeezed middle even more squeezed.

Coming soon will be a rise in energy bills and mortgage rates coming to an end possibly colliding with a rise in taxation in the Autumn budget statement which can't all come from adding VAT to school fees, taxing pensioners, stopping free bus passes or raising IHT. It'll be actual tax raises, revaluations of council tax bandings (overdue but also a concern), Stamp duty, more pressure on taxing Landlords (further increasing pressure on housing stock) meanwhile the massive tech companies will continue to avoid paying tax at source and continue to milk the country until it no longer serves their purpose. Labour has nothing to lose by trying to tackle the big issues of tax avoidance and evasion. Let's see if they actually do something about it this time around. There won't be a second chance to make a great first impression.

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ginasevern · 05/07/2024 14:50

Churchview · 05/07/2024 14:39

I was euphoric in 1997 and, despite all the ups and downs subsequently I still look back on the many things Labour achieved for ordinary people during that time and see how unfavourably the last 14 years compare.

I agree too. The Blair government achieved a lot of good and the country was better for it.

Leniriefenstahl · 05/07/2024 14:52

@Churchview me too. There’s been loads of threads decently about which government performed the best and New Labour cropped up loads. I look back fondly on that time as both a childless women and then a mother.

ImPunbelievable · 05/07/2024 14:53

@Underthinker sorry for typo, should I feed say 3 for 97

ImPunbelievable · 05/07/2024 14:53

And that should say indeed not I feed!!

When are we getting the ability to edit on the app....

KimberleyClark · 05/07/2024 15:08

I hope he isn't but there are many similarities - a genial white, middle-class male who is also an ex Barrister before becoming an MP, having to deal with a very left-wing deputy PM, having to deal with the Unions trying to force the agenda and the 'I'll do my best to serve' none-specific rhetoric etc etc. He seemed like a lovely, ordinary, inoffensive chap but turned out to have ambitions for a world-stage career after being PM of this nation becoming insanely rich in the process. No one watching him ride the 'Cool Brittania' wave predicted that (with the exception of the late Queen who tbf, did seem to have the measure of him).

No one would have predicted Blair becoming best mates with George W Bush. I can’t see Starmer becoming best mates with Trump.

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