Kier Starmer - what he'll be like as a PM

[Dibbydoos]

So this is the first time Ive seen anything written about Kier Starmer and I like the man described.

Am I being unreasonable?

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/how-keir-starmer-s-past-shows-what-he-would-be-like-as-prime-minister/ar-BB1peeCe?ocid=nl_article_link&cvid=68253a8bd44444739b56e177e78f2264&ei=21

@Bignanna
I'm talking about SINCE he became leader. Most were optimistic, thinking 'here we go, finally', but since he became leader he hasn't actually done that much. Many are disappointed.

He's not in government! He can't "do" anything.. that's the other lots job.

Quite. There's a level of desperation on here - very little evidence, just seeing him as a challenge to Conservatism, which is obviously problematic for some.

What has he failed to do as Leader of the Opposition? Do you think he didn't oppose very much?

What did you want him to do as leader of the opposition? I mean, if the polls are correct he couldn't have done much more!

I know. Talk about wild claims.

I mean, I agree with all of your points. However I'm trying to be pragmatic about it. The choice as I see it is:

a) Vote Labour who are trying to avoid inflaming either side of the gender debate so much that they lose the election, and will probably go on to try and find compromises between both sides if they win the election

b) Vote Tory which I think will be more shit for everybody including women

I am opting for a), but you are free to opt for b) and I do understand why - it's just (on balance) not the choice I am making.

This thread is wild.

Apparently Starmer's responsible for the state the country's in!!

@AnitaLoos
Why are you so dismissive of the possible blackmail idea? It has been, is being discussed atm, discussed in chambers by barristers, quite a lot. Only teasing about the gay bit. But seriously they are honestly staggered, cant work it out. can only assume he is being blackmailed, because there is not many other explanations as to why such a good man, incredibly clever man, could be so non-achieving since he came to power as leader of labour. He did so much good stuff prior to becoming leader. But since not so much. And recently even less. No one can understand it, and they talk about it a lot.

Why? Are you too in london chambers, as a barrister? To dispute what I said. Are you there now?
Do you think these discussions are not going on? Law society members, other solicitors who know him, think he's incredibly bright, have seen his earlier fab legal work. But cant grasp why on earth he isn't still doing it?

The definition of what it means to be a woman is key.
Once that goes it will be worse for everyone.

It's bonkers!

He's about to deliver (if polls are correct) the largest majority ever. How is that "nothing"?

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I don't agree, but it definitely is bad manners to spell someone's name wrongly when it would be so easy to look it up.

You should be ashamed of yourself for peddling/repeating these desperate, toxic, homophobic gay blackmail lies. Starmer was elected leader of the Labour Party only four years ago. That is not being ‘in power’ because, as you may have noticed, Labour was not ‘in power’. The way our system works is that the party with almost any majority runs the country unopposed. That’s why the stupid Tory ‘supermajority’ scaremongering is meaningless. However, Starmer inherited a busted flush of a party that had been comprehensively rejected at the polls. During his tenure he has not only exposed Johnson’s lies which led to his ignominious defenestration but utterly transformed the Labour party which is now on track to win the next election with polls showing a massive lead over the Tories. This was literally his job as LOTO and I’d say he has exceeded all expectations. If ‘barristers in London chambers’ ‘can’t grasp’ that rising to become Prime Minister is being successful then they are idiots and I don’t think that they are.

Yeah Starmer's such an underachiever 😂

I think some people don't understand how the system works!

Weak men make hard times.

If I wanted someone funny I would go to a comedy show if I wanted charisma I would go to listen to a preacher.
I just want competence and honesty.

Yes which is why the country is in such a state after Boris, Sunak and Cameron and their chinless wonder Tory chums.

Jacob Rees-Mogg is the physical embodiment of Walter the Softy.

So tough.

AhNowTed · Today 15:12
This thread is wild.

Apparently Starmer's responsible for the state the country's in!!

Onviously. It will only get worse, too. He expects to share a meal with his family once a week.

Lazy, entitled bastard.!

(Am I the only one thinking of the glorious Paul Ritter and Chrimble Crumble?)

Having lived in Wales under Welsh Labour rule, be careful what you wish for.

And no, it is not because we receive less money, we are just worse at spending it suitably

Spend per head (£)

England (average)
£12,227

Wales
£13,967

It is no better under Red Rule, here is a brief overview of their utter incompetence. Yes the Conservatives have totally done the same in England / UK, but do not think that this is a magical red pill. It will be much of the same, just under a different colour tie.

1. Pupils in Wales perform only as well as disadvantaged children in England – IFS

1. NHS Wales waiting times: Ambulance response second worst ever

1. 29% of respondents in Wales said they were currently waiting for a hospital appointment, test or treatment through the NHS for Scotland the estimate was 25%, and for England it was 21%

1. Vaughan Gething received £200,000 in donations from environmental offender's company

1. The Welsh government’s deputy climate change minister has told ITV Cymru Wales he is “not concerned” about the value of Cardiff Airport despite it falling in value by £37 million since the government bought it. The airport was sold to the government for £52 million in 2013, but was valued at just £15 million in 202

1. Transport for Wales has UK's lowest customer satisfaction rate

1. Welsh Government has been accused of spending a whooping £4.25million to buy a farm site for a popular music festival before much of it was declared out of bounds due to nesting ospreys, it has been reported

1. The Relief Road project, which was scrapped in 2019, cost £135.7 million up to the point it was decided not to proceed. The money was spent on development work such as environmental surverys, ground investigation and transport models, Mr Drakeford confirmed

1. ban on supermarkets selling non-essential items during Wales' lockdown will be reviewed after the weekend, First Minister Mark Drakeford has said. (books, paper, household items etc)

On the subject of trans women, which tends to dominate these threads.

Many trans folk present very convincingly as feminine women.
Some not so much.
Most trans women are totally harmless and just want to live their lives, with respect, in line with the wider population.
A small minority are potentially dangerous, in line with the wider population.

And no, it’s not women’s responsibility to give up their single-sex spaces in order to solve where trans women go to the loo, or get changed, or access healthcare, or indeed go to prison.

HOWEVER it IS society’s issue to solve where trans women do these things, because no one could surely think it’s acceptable, or safe, for feminine trans women to have to use a men’s public toilet, or changing room.

And it can’t be beyond us to find a practical solution, to what is for the most part a practical problem.

But it is difficult. It would involve extra loos and changing rooms, and hospital beds, and money. And legislation to protect women who want female-only healthcare professionals.

That’s the hard bit, and no one, from any political party, has an answer to this yet.

Having said that, I do believe that Labour has woken up, and the penny has dropped. And I would trust them to take this issue seriously, as opposed to empty rhetoric from the Tories.

@AhNowTed that all sounds very reasonable and I'm thinking the same. This has all got crazy and so polarised.

What actual chance are you expecting under Labour wrt legislative change?