AIBU to vote reform

[MeadowL]

Anyone else sick of the Tories and Labour and will be voting reform?

The BBC is not ultra left wing.

You are well down the rabbit hole if you believe that.

And if you've fallen down that far down such a hole you're either stupid, weak minded or bigoted.

YANBU but only because it will split the Tory vote.

It's depressing that people can't see this party for what it is.

Nigel is not on your side. He wasn't on your side when he promoted Brexit.

Look at the people around him and what they have been reported as saying this week. This is what the party attracts ..ask yourself why.

ultra left wing organisations like the BBC

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I wholly understand the desire to protest vote, in order to seek change. But I cannot understand using that protest vote to vote for a racist party. Surely no one is so lacking in analytical skills that you can’t hear the racist undertones of so much of what they say?

There are plenty of other parties to protest vote for. You need to understand what a protest vote for Reform says about what you or other Reform voters want - i.e. for a much further right wing party to be in charge. Maybe that is what you want and that is your choice. But don’t pretend that you don’t understand what it means about you and what you want the country to look like.

I genuinely don’t understand this, what change is voting for reform going to make to our political system?

But Farage is racist and misogynistic. He openly said he admires Enoch Powell and Andrew Tate. Defended the use of the term Chinky. Told Breastfeeding women to "sit in the corner". Defended Trump's "Grab their pussy" comment. Lied about how rich he was. Pretends to be for the working man but is from a very privileged background and was a banker.

I can't believe people don't see through him. He is bright and articulate and has perfected the "telling it like it is."

@Despair132 you do exactly what you describe happened. People who commit crimes should be arrested and appropriately punished.

well many of these might vote Green to as they to have really pushed on TikTok

it gets the message to more younger voters so all parties should really be using it

Im voting reform and dont give a toss what others think, voting is personal choice

A vote for Reform is a vote for Putin.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-29/uk-election-pro-russian-facebook-pages-coordinating/104038246 [edited to add a news link to latest evidence that Russia is supporting Reform + Farage's campaign]

Do you recognise that if it does in fact work, i.e. changes our political system, it will be seen as a desire to be far more right wing? Maybe that’s what you want, but it’s not as straightforward as simply “a vote for change.”

This actor who was campaigning for them months ago you mean? Incidentally nobody has provided any evidence (or even said…) that he was paid to say that. Just that he’s an actor (earns some money doing extra work I believe). Actors can be racist too.

Underachievers are voting Reform because the privately educated ex-city trader man in the double-breasted blazer tells them that it’s everyone else’s fault, and points his finger at immigrants, gay and transgender people, muslims, black people, environmentalists. At the same time he creates a set of candy-store policies which appear - superficially to the easily-led - to “punish” these “enemies” and “get our country back”.

It’s only when you apply critical thinking that you see how those policies erode everybody’s rights and terminally ablate the very few remaining protections for working people in the UK.

And when you look deeper it becomes clear that those policies (and Brexit for that matter) actually benefit Russia more than the UK.

Reform is a very dangerous choice indeed.

imagine coming to a forum called MUMSnet and pretending a man with deep hatred towards women isn’t a danger to women.

and that man also is being investigated for trafficking women.

vote reform if you like but at least don’t pretend you’re anything other than a misogynist. your comments have proved that.

Read their manifesto and vote for them if you want to see those policies enacted.

I am voting for them, as is all of my family and my neighbours, and no we're not all racist. Wanting to secure your borders is not racist, no matter what left leaning liberals say. The immigration policy is not the only reason why I'm voting for them, I've read their manifesto.

I think I love you 😍

YABU to even ask. No-one cares! 🙄

Perhaps you need to get to know intelligent people instead then, because everyone you know is clearly several sandwiches short of a picnic.

The problem is that in order to get to the UK the migrants, and many of them are economic migrants, have travelled through many safe countries, so they don't need to risk their lives or their children's and make the journey across the channel. The only people who benefit are the traffickers.

Uncontrolled immigration has been happening for years, it got worse under Tony Blair's Labour with his open door policy. I always repeat this on here but remember the protests by British tradesmen because they couldn't find work? Remember Gordon Brown's promise of British jobs for British workers which didn't happen. Free movement only works between countries if they have similar economies, when you get poorer countries like Romania and Poland it's obvious that their workers will migrate to the countries with better wages. But it puts a strain on housing, schools, health services etc.

When people in the UK tried to express their concern they were shut down by being branded racist or a bigot. This is what led to Brexit. You only have to look at the insults on this thread to see that it's still happening. People don't want to discuss anything and that is when it becomes dangerous.

Oh please, the BBC are not 'ultra left wing'. The problem is gullible people swallow nonsense like that, and are immoral enough to consider voting for racists.

Clickbait?
No-one in their right minds spend 1second thinking about Reform UK ltd. formerly UKIP and BNP and not a startup.

Yes, YABVFU

Keep telling yourself that.

Nigel is that you?