AIBU to vote reform

[MeadowL]

Anyone else sick of the Tories and Labour and will be voting reform?

I'm not going to vote reform... that said do I think they are all fascists no... do I think we need to tone down the nuclear saber rattling and elect a person capable of ending 2 wars that are both bad for Britain... yes I do.

The leadership arnt fascists but.... I do think they attract racist candidates and it's not the leadership that runs the country the MPs do... last thing we need is intolerant racists round the cabinet table. It's a shame really because I would vote for them if not for that.

That said everyone should be free to vote for who ever they like.

If the final of love island or other dross is on TV /streaming on the the day of the election, the voting percentage will drop. Maybe we should be checking this out.

Watching the nudge theory in action during covid nothing would surprise me any more

I would suspect that Reform are largely not standing for it because if it’s voiced too publicly it will make them unelectable. I very much doubt it’s down to any ethical or ideological conviction.

@Mummy2024 You are too young for Spitting Image around the cabinet table when Margaret Thafcher was PM then! You should try and watch it. Primus inter pares it isn’t.

Although don’t get me wrong, I do agree that some of the Tories could give them a run for their money.

DH and I often say we wish Spitting Image was still on and as raw as it was back then.

Quite possibly so.
In an ideal world there’d be no isms. Sadly we are far from an ideal world.

I'm not a right wing cunt so no I wont be voting reform.

You're an embarrassment

Yes! Bring back spitting image!!

Is there any need for insults?

@TinklySnail what could be more insulting than voting for a bunch of right wing misogynistic fascists?

Do you call everyone an embarrassment if their opinion is different to yours?
Do you refer to everyone who doesn’t think like you as a cunt?

@TinklySnail

Of course not!

Only thicko reform voters

It really is. It’s been a great thread until now.

The problem for Farage is that, while he knows how to say things that most people (including his voters) can recognize as racist - he is just vague enough to give himself something resembling plausible deniability. E.g. when he said Sunak doesn't understand our culture.

Most of their other candidates aren't as skilled as Farage so their racism ends up being so plain that even Farage can't deny it.

It's probably actually good for Farage to have one or two candidates like that, so he can take action intending to show that Reform doesn't tolerate racism. That said, we must now be at about 15 candidates who've been booted out of the party so far this year, which isn't a good look however it's spun.

Mosley? I would assume that he was looking for the best route to advance his power.

This might be the truest thing ever said on a reform thread. Farage is a really clever manipulator. But he’s a terrible politician and so most of his candidates are not as switched on.

I'm relieved to hear it. I'm not sure others are necessarily though. I think it's naive to suppose that we are smarter or better than people who lived in previous generations. Human beings keep making the same old mistakes!

Oh that’s okay then. So you can make derogatory comments about Reform voters but not anyone else?

I don't think it's as straightforward as that. I think, for the majority, their financial situation/ QOL are the most important factors when it comes to voting. Many people, across many Western countries, have become less prosperous over the last 20 years. They therefore want to vote for a party or individual who promises change, who promises to listen to them and who promises them that they will see more of their earnings or perhaps better public services, especially in the case of the elderly or people who don't work. They are therefore prepared to overlook the fact that some Reform candidates have made racist remarks because they primarily want their lives to be better. They may well have bought into the messaging that immigrants are bad and have taken their jobs, which is true to some degree in some places.

It will be an interesting election.
Proof will be in the pudding after the election. I will be watching very closely what Reform and Nigel do after the election.

@TinklySnail

Not sure how much clarification you need?

I reserve the right to think badly of people who are willing to effectively demonstrate support for the BNP. If they want to think badly of me for not being a right wing cunt they can knock themselves out, couldnt care less about their opinion tbh.

Do I think that people who put the milk in tea first are cunty..? No
Putting cream in a scone before the jam? Also no.
Voting for a right wing fascist party? Yes

The thing is, Farage is horrible, but comes across as very convincing -he is terrifyingly good at it, despite the fact that his manifesto is bollocks. And for a "man of the people" he is about as establishment as it gets. It seems to me that a good amount of Reform voters are not evil, but rather people who have fallen for a very very convincing scam.