To ask who you are voting for?

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Labour
Tories
Lib Dem
Green
Reform
SNP (Scotland)

And why?

@cardibach Even though you can’t recall all the points I’ve made (fair enough), you haven’t acknowledged my response to your challenge. Why, I wonder, nor have you tried to convince me why I should vote Labour other than to keep out Conservatives. I live in a Labour stronghold, remember!

Because you don’t want to be convinced. You’ve said you are worrying about Starmer doing something he’s expressly said he won’t, so whatever I say you’ll discount. At that point, the only thing left is to say vote to get/keep the Tory out. If there’s no chance of them getting in (and strongholds don’t always stay that way) then you’ve no worries.

If I didn’t want to be convinced I wouldn’t have offered you the opportunity. I’ve expressly told you (twice) I have reservations about Conservatives. There’s more than one way to levy tax from pensioners, you know. My age group - not saying any/all applies to me - faces downsizing (stamp duty), triple lock, CGT, IHT, possibly paying DGCs’ public school fees. Has Starmer promised not to touch these? No, only triple lock, and we all know politicians don’t keep promises. This man needs to levy money and he already wants to apply VAT to public school fees which is causing concern for some.
So go for it, @cardibach. Convince me. Stop me being an odd bod in a Labour stronghold.
Alternatively have no fear. This stronghold will remain Labour. Absolutely it will. I’m in the red wall which is solidly built.

Same, as in voting for them and think they're best for NHS and care.
Also because I love our Labour MP and think she does a great job so would like to keep her in too.

The red wall crumbled last time.
i have no interest in persuading you. I was simply pointing out that deciding on the basis of stuff you think a party will do when they’ve said they won’t is a bit unusual.

Apt username 😂

Imo the red wall crumbled because folk wanted Brexit done. It’s been rebuilt.
Why not accept the challenge to convince me? Go through each point I make and topple it. Have stamp duty, CGT and IHT been discussed in Labour’s manifesto?
Come on! You can do better than be disinterested!

You're obviously entitled to vote for who you like, but I honestly don't get this mindset.
I'm a woman, and I think it's absolutely bonkers that anyone would think that voting Conservative is the way to go as they care about women.
No they bloody don't!
I feel a hell of a lot unsafer under them than I ever have under Labour.

Perhaps. But in 5 years time when Labour have done (at best) nothing, at worst fucked up further and trying to pin it all ‘on the previous government’, I’m pretty sure many a new Labour voter will be wondering where their marbles where when they believed the ‘things can only get better’ line (again, you’d think how things ended with the Blair government would be a bit of a damn clue with Tony 2.0 at the helm). Going to be interesting to see what develops over the next 5 years, I'm sure one of us will be proven to have been a bit mad in the here and now 🙂.

Until I read this post I had no idea that a person would vote for a party they know to be proven arseholes?

And Labour are demonstrably not arseholes? When it comes to defending sex based rights for one, evidently not so. They seem to not have much care for teachers either, just seeing them as replaceable robots who will gain those academic results purely from the power of a Labour government….

@LostTheMarble
The Tories are arseholes but at least it’s ’devil you know’ arseholes

So - you'd rather vote for a party you "know" are arseholes over a party that you think "might" be arseholes given half a chance?!
Make it make sense 😭

It was the Tories you are calling arseholes @LostTheMarble .

It hasn’t been rebuilt until it elects Labour MPs which it hopefully will on Thursday. I’m beginning to think everything you post is invented. Why do you want me to persuade you of anyth8ng? I don’t want to. I simply pointed out an irrationality in the way you were pretending to decide.
I now think you aren’t in a Labour stronghold and are just stirring. Nothing adds up. I’m out. Have a good evening.

OK. I'd prefer to take my chances with Labour than trust a government that have proven repeatedly to lie, break the law and be incapable of governing. After Truss I can't believe anyone could possibly take them seriously. Especially as Rishi is toast - who knows who they'll pick next?

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They’re all arseholes. But not voting or spoiling my ballot is only making it easier for Labour. As I said, they will win in my area and will probably get that landslide for the whole country. Realistically we’re only looking at two parties fighting for power, and since my arm is (metaphorically) being twisted I’d sooner have Sunak than Starmer running the country. The Labour mp running for my area has made zero allusions to how they’d help the local area, just repeating all of the party’s soundbites, whilst our current Conservative MP has actually put work into an area of high poverty/low income. Why should I vote Labour just because everyone else is believing the land of milk and honey is just a tick away?

Why should I vote Labour just because everyone else is believing the land of milk and honey is just a tick away?

I don't think anyone is believing that?
Just we've had 14 years of public services getting worse and worse (NHS, community centres shutting down etc)
Just think a "change of scenery" and a hope for a better standard of living is more likely than more of the same shit we've got now?
I do anyway

Conservative. Locally, my MP is wonderful. And I also admire Kemi. I can’t vote for a party who doesn’t know what a woman is, and I don’t want to vote Reform. For me, it’s vital Labour are kept out.

It hasn’t been rebuilt until it elects Labour MPs which it hopefully will on Thursday. I’m beginning to think everything you post is invented. Why do you want me to persuade you of anyth8ng? I don’t want to. I simply pointed out an irrationality in the way you were pretending to decide.
I now think you aren’t in a Labour stronghold and are just stirring. Nothing adds up. I’m out. Have a good evening.
Clearly I can’t indicate which part of the red wall I inhabit - you need to trust me.
Nothing in what I’ve written has been invented. If you want me not to vote Conservative, persuade me to vote Labour but you won’t/can’t. I’d already decided and declared how I’ll vote. You took exception and I have given you several chances to change my mind. It’s a pity you won’t rise to the challenge, opened my eyes to your point of view. You don’t need to be out.
I CBA to stir. No one will be more disappointed than me when the local Labour candidate gets in again on Thursday. He does FA in parliament, is a standing joke and represents a party leader who doesn’t inspire.

@BeetlejuiceBeetlejuiceBeetlejuice

Locally, my MP is wonderful

I disagree with the rest of your post but that’s really good to read and a good basis for your decision. such a pity that so many MPs of whatever party are pretty woeful,

In the early days of fighting against the proposed changes to the GRA, the Tory MPs were the only ones who would meet with me or my group and engage in decent conversation. I was surprised how open many of them were. It was a hugely different story to the Labour MPs, some of whom openly protested when we had an event!

As I said, I disagree with you but ultimately, that’s what MPs need to do, listen to all of their constituents.

Labour has changed though.

Independent - I'm in IDS constituency where the LP were predicted to win until Starmer began his lefty purge. I'm voting for Faiza Shaheen as is my DH and most of our friends. She has run an amazing campaign based on local issues and has a real chance of winning. There is a risk that the split vote will mean IDS sneaks back in but he will have zero influence on the back benches so I have made my peace with that.

Lib Dem as a tactical vote to remove our Tory MP. It feels like she's given up anyway. We've had a couple of crappy leaflets through the door and that's it whilst the Lib Dem campaigners have been very proactive.

I cannot vote for the Conservative Party. They are an utter disgrace and driven this country into the ground. And I think I'd rather sever my head than vote for Farage.