To let you all know :Jane the mntter held keir to acct, brilliantly on radio today and it's viral.

[JaneVapeman]

Unfortunately I can't link to her clip, but she's a star and a hero. She pinned him down and cut through the "twaddle". I am a swing voter and would have been proud of a mntter holding any mp to account on an important issue like Jane did. Jane is/was even trending on twitter.

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Absolutely agree with this.

It was a short conversation then. Given there was such little time I’d have rather heard more from a potential leader of our country than an angry mumsnetter.

Honestly couldn't give a shit. Did you think tone policing would shame me?

You do know that Stonewall and the Labour Party maintained a position of " no debate" for years despite many women's organisations repeatedly asking for respectful dialogue. The idea that Starmer deserves a medal for sounding reasonable after having ignored women for so long is galling.

In fact we have been bullied, threatened, arrested and sacked for years so now the answer is black and white, no men in women's spaces. As a feminist I'm sure you wouldn't feel qualified to give away other women's rights.

If it's more important to you that women be kind than safe then you have no need to get involved.

This is what toxic and vitriolic looks like:

terfisaslur.com/

Yes ladies. Let’s not do anything that could warrant a charge of angry lady or, heaven forfend, toxicity. Let’s all be passive and Kiiinnndddd.

Let’s not expect a man who claims to be a top legal mind, to have a grasp on topical legal dilemmas that may impact children. If he cannot give a clear, succinct statement on his position, don’t feel let down!

Let’s not be unpleasant and point out that Starmer conflates the TRAs with their rape and death threats and dozing, and cross ladies like Jane who has been audibly vexed.

Have some of you no self respect?

It was a short conversation then. Given there was such little time I’d have rather heard more from a potential leader of our country than an angry mumsnetter.

How dismissive can you get. And you're lecturing people about their tone?

It's actually even more simple than that.

single sex spaces

Not some bizarre legal fiction of 'legally female'. Not a bizarre claim that someone is a woman because they feel like one. Not some bizarre attempt to pretend that human beings can change sex. Not some bizarre attempt to claim that if a man really, really wants it that the title of female can be bestowed upon him. Not even if the TRA's shout loudly enough.

The single sex exemptions as detailed in the EQA 2010 legislation, meaning single sex.

But women must (continue) to 'be kind'. They might be right but by God, they better say it in a sweet, unassuming way and with a smile on their face.

Let's just allow Starmer and other politicians to wheel out the same incoherent, self serving crap over and over again.

You are not doing yourself any favours engaging in this angry and aggressive way.

What will people say? 🤣🤣🤣

I’m not trying to shame you but I think you may be trying to bully and shame me. I don’t care. You are just some random on the internet.

I reserve the right to find the rhetoric around this issue toxic and to not like the way you are addressing me. You are being super aggressive and that stops me from listening to your points.

No. She isn't.

You are just some random on the internet.

Backatcha. I'm glad when people hold politicians' feet to the fire. You seem extraordinarily naive.

I will say ‘I don’t like this’. I reserve the right to find aggressive, bullying behaviour vile in anyone regardless of gender. I don’t care what anyone else thinks. I don’t like it. My view and I’m entitled to it.

Yeh I think that’s what some would prefer

Yeh I think that’s what some would prefer

The Labour Fan Club don't like him being put on the spot and getting headlines for the wrong reasons.

And yet you keep responding.

It’s not dismissive at all. I have an opinion and you don’t like it. So you are labelling it dismissive. My view is that she was rude and aggressive and I found it frustrating. You don’t agree.

No chance

Not my Nigel

I think it’s meant for something else but that’s what I think when posters prioritise Keir over women and girls

It’s not dismissive at all

Yes it is. You're hypocritical and rude. You can give it but not take it, I see.

Oh I see. So because you are being aggressive and bullying, that’s my fault for responding? You are beginning to sound like a Russian bot trying to stir up division.

We want the same thing. I want to protect women’s spaces too. Im concerned about the erosion of our rights.

I don’t think talking aggressively over people and angrily shouting them down is a good thing to do. I’d hold a man to those same standards. You can be assertive and even interrupt someone in far more skilled ways.

Please quote my exact words where I have been rude. I’ve expressed opinions in an assertive way.

And yet you keep responding.

The poster reminds me of other ones I have had run ins with on here. I don't think I'm going to engage further with them. They're not here for a rational conversation, I don't think.

I don’t see what @FOJN has supposedly done

I also don’t trust Starmer to get people ‘around the table’ when he’s clueless on the basics and has spent over a year ignoring women

Rudeness, so awful. We should be polite and respectful at all times, especially when politicians are trying to pull the wool over our eyes.

She hasn't done anything. Performative outrage.

All those MPs in parliament should wait for their turn to speak and not interrupt!