To let you all know :Jane the mntter held keir to acct, brilliantly on radio today and it's viral.

[JaneVapeman]

Unfortunately I can't link to her clip, but she's a star and a hero. She pinned him down and cut through the "twaddle". I am a swing voter and would have been proud of a mntter holding any mp to account on an important issue like Jane did. Jane is/was even trending on twitter.

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It's not a new phenomenon.
It's been going by my best estimate since the 1960s.

Certainly in the 80s was huge signs this was coming. Then in 2004 the GRA came into being, very quietly. So more than 20 years notice this was coming, plenty of women tried to tell y'all, but collective you decided we were stupid and didnt have a clue and beeee kiiiiind. Well this is where it gets you.

Your careers will be taken by men who dont need and will never need maternity, time off for sick children, gynae issues, school holiday time off, etc ad infinitum.

Your careers will be taken by men who dont need and will never need maternity, time off for sick children, gynae issues, school holiday time off, etc ad infinitum

Best of all, they'll count as "women" in the stats. Hey presto!! "Gender equality".

Trebles all round

So your board will be all male, but half will 'identify as women' so you're all sorted 🤪

He's actually said he will protect biological women in safe spaces with only sparse detail of what these safe spaces are, however, toilets and changing rooms are never mentioned as potential safe spaces.

Plus he won't address the question of where holders of GRCs are allowed access. Nor will he address the carnage of the EqA's 'gender reassignment' clause.

But he will make the GRC easier to obtain, why? And he will remove the rights of Trans Widows by taking out the Spousal Exit Clause.

Striking a real blow for women's rights there Starmer. (sarcasm in case there is any doubt)

But he will make the GRC easier to obtain, why? And he will remove the rights of Trans Widows by taking out the Spousal Exit Clause.

Striking a real blow for women's rights there Starmer. (sarcasm in case there is any doubt)

And he will remove the rights of Trans Widows by taking out the Spousal Exit Clause.

This is really shocking.

Also, just so everyone is aware. When they negotiated the GRA, they quietly ring fenced the ONE benefit women could have taken from men.

Family estates entailed down the male line are exempt from any implications of the GRA. Not one single female right was protected in the same way.

Let that sink in ...

Forced marriage and everything goes to the men.

#progressive

It was ever thus.

https://x.com/j4ppleby/status/1387370999671369732

In case not everyone understands.

I see him as someone who will probably have to change his perspective, through the pressure of public opinion, through people like MN-Jane.

I agree. I cannot see this approach surviving even a full term. Not when his MPs have female constituents lobbying them regularly.

He may come to regret aligning so closely with the tiny “traumatised” minority.

"Constituencies with relatively higher numbers of over-50s, homeowners and people of white ethnicity are key to Labour’s hopes of winning a majority at the election, Guardian analysis suggests.

So lots of Mail, Express, possibly Times and Telegraph readers. Hmmm.

Yep, eldest male changes gender, gets the GRC, changes the marker on his Birth Certificate to Female, ah but not when landed estates and titles are on the line then he is very definitely, absolutely, without any shadow of a doubt still male.

And this isn't and always has been a Men's Rights Charter? Dream on.

100%

Was I the only one a bit annoyed because Jane kept interrupting Kier so I didn't really get to hear his answer?

But he gets access to women's changing rooms, toilets, prisons, shelters, etc.

Win, win. Am I rite?

He will, he will show every person in this country with dignity and respect.

Sure.

@Riversideandrelax

yes. You are.

She interrupted him (heaven forbid!) because he was about to wheel out the same old scripted non answer.

No plenty of women are quite irritated that a pesky woman didn't allow slippery Starmer to run the clock down without answering her very simple question.

If you're really interested in his answer he has been asked again, without interruption.

https://x.com/addicted2newz/status/1807058069941027227

I haven’t put forward a solution. I’m stating what he’s said he will do. And that it seems sensible to me. And that anything he said in that situation, other than completely buying in to an ‘either/or’ narrative would have been used against him.

This bullying, horrible way of engaging in the conversation puts me off being part of this campaign. As a woman and a feminist I am concerned, but it’s not black and white. This vitriolic and toxic way of engaging makes me not want to be associated with it. Which means I’m less likely to talk about it IRL. You are not doing yourself any favours engaging in this angry and aggressive way.

No, she’s not. Lots have said the same. Don’t tell us what we think or what we should think. You don’t represent 51% of the population, you don’t represent me. I’m pretty embarrassed by the tone of this thread. I’m proud to be a woman and I am proud to be a feminist. I’m not proud of how this issue is being approached by some. It’s such an important one and this angry toxic rhetoric doesn’t help.

@Riversideandrelax only if it's the first time you have heard him answer

What’s not black and white?

Men. Women.

pretty straightforward

😂 getting a proper telling off here. Amazing work wims