To let you all know :Jane the mntter held keir to acct, brilliantly on radio today and it's viral.

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Unfortunately I can't link to her clip, but she's a star and a hero. She pinned him down and cut through the "twaddle". I am a swing voter and would have been proud of a mntter holding any mp to account on an important issue like Jane did. Jane is/was even trending on twitter.

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As I said, having a mastectomy or taking testosterone is not equivalent to jumping off a high bridge or taking an overdose.

This is what it comes down to ...

Do you think a man should be able to go to a GP and declare 'I feel I am a woman' - despite all biological evidence to the contrary.

And the GP can then sign a piece of paper that gives him access to ALL of women's single sex spaces. Including prisons, shelters, rape counselling, hospital wards. No questions asked. If you ask questions YOU'RE the problem.

I can hardly wrap my head around that this is where we are, in 2024. I cannot understand how any woman can be supportive of this.

She was brilliant. How any woman can vote for KS is beyond me. Mumsnet seem to like him tho.

Any ideology that denies this basic truth is deeply sexist, regressive and patriarchal and we should reject it completely.

Absolutely. To say nothing of the fact that this ideology has as one of the main tenets of it that everyone else must affirm the belief and act accordingly.

No.

I don't accept forced submission to other people's beliefs.

Sorry no idea how the gif appeared

It is rather funny though.😆

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Safe Schools Alliance have commented:

"This is a man who does not understand what #safeguarding is & will not uphold it. It is also not leadership.

Leadership in schools is making the hard decisions that will keep the vulnerable in your care safe & facing the consequences (it’s also facing the consequences if you don’t keep them safe).

Headteachers need to be able to clearly state that in their schools, toilets, changing rooms, overnight accommodation, sports, sex education classes & anything else that needs to be segregated for reasons of fairness, privacy, dignity or safety will be done on the basis of sex, as this is essential to effective safeguarding. There will be no exceptions regardless of how anyone identifies, what certificate they hold, how they feel, whatever threats or emotional blackmail they deploy.

Many Headteachers do this every single day & keep their communities safe. It is simply unacceptable that someone who wishes to be Prime Minister has such a complete vacuum where leadership skills & critical thinking should be.

No Men should be in any female spaces. It is irrelevant if they claim this is an affront to their dignity. The answer is No. Women & children are over half the population & they are entitled to have their needs met. Every single decent man knows this. Why don’t you @Keir_Starmer? #Edutwitter #RestoreSafeguarding #WomenEd"

https://x.com/safeschoolsuk/status/1807099724467458247?s=46&t=WHoOZZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

Ed Davey's.

I dont have the time to scroll through 603 questions.
https://members.parliament.uk/member/188/writtenquestions

That's a comment and a half from SSA and they are 100% correct.

As I said, having a mastectomy or taking testosterone is not equivalent to jumping off a high bridge or taking an overdose.

I'm sure you realise there are degrees of harm. It isn't "ends in death=bad, everything else fine", is it?

No you're absolutely right.
It takes a lot longer.

I don't hate trans people at all. No one on here has expressed that view. What we are saying it is biologically impossible to change sex and therefore men who want to be women, no matter how they go about it, are essentially still genetically men, with all that brings, and we do not have to share our spaces with genetic males.

I am quite happy for someone to call themselves transwhatever but they will never be genetically the opposite sex to what they are born. That's not a belief that is immutable fact.

I'm all for third spaces but they have no right to women's space.

Forums.

They don't want third spaces though do they? They want in on ours. They want women to validate them - that's what the prisons policy was all about. And this is why spaces and services with the most vulnerable in them - women, children (not MEN) - were selected for infiltration by the twisting of public policy.

So we'd be gaslit into saying and thinking it was all fine when it wasn't.

We were never asked.

This is not consent. Even if I were to consent - which I don't - that means nothing to the next woman, whose consent I may never give on her behalf.

Jane you've done the country a service here, you really have!!

Childcare has always been extortionate. It was thirty years ago when my DC were in full time nursery, and there were no free hours and no tax breaks.

What I find interesting is how you frame it as a women's problem. It is a parents' problem. Yet again this thought process that women should be accommodating and suck it all up. There's a Labour/ Starmer theme going on here.

Trans women's fight comes from a place of male privilege, if I shout at you loud enough, tell you what I want, threaten to rape and murder you, that all comes from male privilege. You don't get genetic woman doing this to get a point across.

Fuck me I sighed and interrupted a man and I'm rude!!!

I merely asked the man to answer a question which I and many others wanted and answer to. I did get angry yes, I cut him off because he was just trotting out the same old non answer that he has previously and not giving me an answer. I didn't tell him what to say, I asked him to answer my question.

I did it anonymously because I do not want people tracking me down and abusing me or my family. I do wish I had the protection of JK Rowling so that I could stand on a stage and ask him and many others the same question but I am a mere citizen of this country and if MPs who do have security don't feel safe saying these things out loud why the hell would I?

This "richer" woman is giving away fuck all. JKR is fighting for us all. Please stop subdividing women, we've all got skin in this game.

Fuck me I sighed and interrupted a man and I'm rude!!!

Mad isn't it? The double standards are wild

Actually, no I didn’t. You asked me that and I said it was my opinion that such things can be dangerous and I would advise against them. Someone else mentioned sectioning people who might do themselves harm, but didn’t reference transmen - that was you.

If the Tories hadn't stopped this, the SNP and the orison authorities would still be doing it.

Of course you do.

Don't be silly.

You've nothing to apologise for.

Thank you Jane, you spoke for so many women

Is 51% of the uk population female?
What % of the uk voting public is trans?