To let you all know :Jane the mntter held keir to acct, brilliantly on radio today and it's viral.

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Unfortunately I can't link to her clip, but she's a star and a hero. She pinned him down and cut through the "twaddle". I am a swing voter and would have been proud of a mntter holding any mp to account on an important issue like Jane did. Jane is/was even trending on twitter.

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Stop telling Jane how to speak.

She did brilliantly

Starmer still hasn’t answered where those men with a GRC will have access

Do you know?

I wasn't expecting to stop anyone voting Labour. It wasn't a political comment, I was just asking for an answer. I would have asked a candidate of any other party exactly the same question if they had failed on numerous occasions to answer as Sir Keir had.

I know right. He'll meet the millionaire celebrity with an enormous SM following, but not the ordinary women who've been fighting this on the ground.

More terrible optics from Starmer

I've seen a clip on another interview of KS offering to meet with JK Rowling. Am I alone in finding it bizarre that he offers to meet with a multimillionaire who (AFAIK) has never asked to meet with him, but he hasn't met with Rosie Duffield, Lesbian Labour, Joan Smith and other Labour women?

That’s a point Rowling drew his attention to.

Stop trotting out this argument. Caring about both issues is perfectly possible.

No, he did not answer my question. He trotted out the same when I was in the DPP I did this and that for women. I knew he was going to do this as it's what he has done every time this question has come up so far. so told him that I didn't care about that. I wanted to get an answer to the question I asked.

And even if WOMEN are force to move aside to 'other areas' - these areas will become the 'Women's Areas' that will be taken over next...

This may be about a small number of people want to 'be treated with dignity', but the resulting implications are huge on 'Women's' rights - in sport, safe treatment / areas etc.

The politicians are deliberately not addressing this. KS was trying to provide a smooth over non-answer.

But, when Angela Rayner gets her hands on a little more power, she wont even pretend to support women - if you don't have a penis that is...

He was clearly working to a script.

@ShrinkingEveryDay it's these vulnerable women that proper feminists are thinking about when we talk about the importance of single sex spaces and services.

Women in prison
Women in refuges
Disabled women needing intimate care
Women in hospital

@JanefromLondon1 you are a bloody shero.

Why would she waste time listening to him repeat the same old shit we've heard a 100 times before.

The case for sex based rights has already been made. Are you seriously suggesting that we need to make the case that women deserve equal rights to men again? Do you understand what "sex based rights" are?

We have single sex spaces for a reason, before you get rid of them you need to understand the reason they were introduced and if that reason still exists. AKA Chestertons gate/fence.

He's a barrister, he knows words have meaning and yet he fudges the definition of woman and says "safe spaces" every single time when he's actually being asked about single sex spaces. His refusal to clearly answer a simple direct question is intentional.

He's been painful to listen to in every interview I've heard. He disagrees with the Tory policy of housing migrants on barges but a few days ago he was asked (3 times) if he would get rid of the Bibby Stockholm and he refused to give a clear answer. It's not just women's rights he's unclear about.

The man is as slippery as an eel.

You are not derailing the thread. You're providing a perfectly valid example of what women are concerned about. Sorry you've had to experience this.
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Of course a certain group of men will want access to which ever space women remove themselves to because for many it's about validation not safety.

Women are not tools to be exploited in the service of mens egos.

Well done @JanefromLondon1 !

Jane another one saying well done. You did so so well.
This is the one reason I will not vote for Labour. It's not for me. It's for my daughters. This is a dreadful slippery slope and it annoys me so so much.
Thank you Jane x

Do you truly think that she needed to produce a case for sex based rights? If that’s true, that’s very depressing.

Perhaps people, including women, have dismissed the evidence of the past two thousand years that provides the case that women as a sex need sex based rights? Especially perhaps younger women have forgotten how hard fought the sex based tights were in relation to women’s reproductive rights, women’s education, violence against women, sex based protection in the home and in work and politics? They, and men, don’t know how much fighting is still needed.

1. On average, two women a week are killed each year by a current or former male partner.
2. Reported incidents of domestic violence have increased by 31% since 2013.
3. Over 137,000 women in England and Wales are already living with the consequences of FGM.
4. 107,104 violence against women crimes are reported a year.
5. Violence against Muslims is increasing, with Muslim women particularly likely to be targeted.

VAGW only occurs because we are the female sex. No biologically born man can possibly have FGM because they are not the female sex. Are you saying that Jane should have quoted those statistics to produce a case for sex based rights? Maybe l but I think that would’ve given Keir a chance to obfuscate even further. Sticking to her main question was important given his past weaselling.

Women living in poverty need single sex spaces more than the richer women who're giving them away to men.

This is just a fact.

I thought it was arrogant of Jane to think she was speaking for 51% of the population. Women are not all of one mind on this.

Nor would many women have been rude enough to use the phrase "sick of the absolute twaddle that comes out of your mouth". Just rude.

@FOJN said what I was thinking on this need to produce a case for sex based rights but more succinctly.

Not as rude as allowing rapists into women's prisons or men like Dolatowski into women's toilets to attack children

Starmer has been dismissing women for years, it was refreshing to see him get a taste of his own medicine.

I thought it was arrogant of Jane to think she was speaking for 51% of the population. Women are not all of one mind on this.

This is an issue for all women's rights, whatever individual women might think.

Oh no, a woman being rude to a man who wants to make it easier for his fellow men to invade female spaces. She should have put in her best Lady Di voice and apologise intermittently for having an opinion that opposed his. Then conceded she was wrong of course.

You spoke brilliantly Jane. You asked him the clearest easiest most basic question imaginable and he couldn't answer. It was the same when I messaged my constituency candidate for Labour. Waffle and not a single recognition of how this is affecting women today. Thank you for your bravery and clarity xx

She said, "You need to think about 51% of the population who are sick of the absolute twaddle that comes out of your mouth when we ask these questions."

She was speaking as though all women think the same on the issue.
We don't all think the same.
Even if we do, we wouldn't say what she said.

This.

Not as rude as allowing rapists into women's prisons or men like Dolatowski into women's toilets to attack children

It is the Conservatives who have been allowing that over the past years. Not Keir Starmer.