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6 year child - stranger talking about her penis

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hermenmumster · 20/06/2024 09:58

Trigger warning : sensitive topic around Gender Identity

I was at a work event (private garden - bring family along deal) and someone there is a transgender woman- she was tall, bearded ,hirsuite and wearing a dress and heels.
My daughter (6) was roaming around with the other kids and i think must have asked the lady why she was wearing a dress.
She explained that she ´was born a man with a willy , and is now a lady ’

Something jarred in me about a grown person talking about gentalia to a 6 year old child.
What does the mumsnet think?
AIBU to be annoyed?

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TheKeatingFive · 20/06/2024 12:06

Ladyritacircumference · 20/06/2024 12:05

How rude of your daughter. Has she no manners?

It is like when a child asks a person with a disability why they use a wheelchair, or what is ‘wrong’ with them.

Other people are not there to provide teachable moments for your child.

I suspect the trans woman’s reply was their way of telling your child to fuck off.

Is this for real? Ffs 🤦‍♀️

SinnerBoy · 20/06/2024 12:07

Ladyritacircumference · Today 12:05

How rude of your daughter. Has she no manners?

Hmm, you sound like one half of The Modern Parents. Perhaps you should heed your own advice?

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 20/06/2024 12:07

Ladyritacircumference · 20/06/2024 12:05

How rude of your daughter. Has she no manners?

It is like when a child asks a person with a disability why they use a wheelchair, or what is ‘wrong’ with them.

Other people are not there to provide teachable moments for your child.

I suspect the trans woman’s reply was their way of telling your child to fuck off.

She's 6 years old, for fuck's sake! 6 year olds ask nosy questions all the time!

No matter how annoying a child is being, there is nothing which excuses an adult talking about their genitals to a child.

hermenmumster · 20/06/2024 12:08

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FTPM1980 · 20/06/2024 12:10

You can tell a 6yr old it's rude if you like...they won't understand.
A little girl once asked my Dad if he was having a baby because he's overweight.

Why couldn't the person just say because I want to wear a dress?

Clothes don't make you a woman/lady..anyone can wear what they like in my view but if so set on being seen as a different gender then at least make the effort to shave.

If you don't, and basedon this conversation, I suspect you are doing it more for attention and shock value than because of any internal innate "gender"

hermenmumster · 20/06/2024 12:18

Ladyritacircumference · 20/06/2024 12:05

How rude of your daughter. Has she no manners?

It is like when a child asks a person with a disability why they use a wheelchair, or what is ‘wrong’ with them.

Other people are not there to provide teachable moments for your child.

I suspect the trans woman’s reply was their way of telling your child to fuck off.

actually my child has beautiful manners and I am extremely proud of her as are all her caregivers.
six year olds ask questions, and this is well within the normal spectrum of questions for her age

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heathspeedwell · 20/06/2024 12:29

This reminds me of the transwoman with a semi who went naked into a spa right next to a little girl and some posters claimed the little girl was 'rude' for looking at his penis.

Of course later it turned out that he was a convicted sex offender with a history of flashing.

Sadly some people just want to centre men and their feelings at all times, rather than actually think about safeguarding children.

Custardandrhubarbcrumble · 20/06/2024 12:32

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 20/06/2024 12:07

She's 6 years old, for fuck's sake! 6 year olds ask nosy questions all the time!

No matter how annoying a child is being, there is nothing which excuses an adult talking about their genitals to a child.

Exactly. Should I have told the 6 year old to fuck off who, the other day, asked if I was pregnant (I'm not....)?

Children ask questions. He should have stuck to 'I like wearing dresses'

CantDealwithChristmas · 20/06/2024 12:39

According to Laurie Penny it's absolutely fine.

According to UK law, 'sexual communication' with a child under 16 is in certain circumstances illegal.

hermenmumster · 20/06/2024 12:40

Thank you , and thank you everyone who is sticking up for my beautiful little daughter.
I did not come on here for my daughter to be accused of being rude, and it has stirred the mamabear in me even more

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Cattery · 20/06/2024 12:46

It was a man in a dress talking to a child about willies. What the fuck are we allowing in this country

Demonhunter · 20/06/2024 12:47

Can't bloody go anywhere now without being faced with these people! YANBU at all to be annoyed and creeped out, considering it's a fetish for most of them, I'd be livid if I heard that said to a child!

FTPM1980 · 20/06/2024 12:47

Shan5474 · 20/06/2024 11:12

I think it’s a clear and kind of engaging way to explain the issue to a child in one sentence. They probably assumed you had openly discussed the existence of genitalia to your child.
Is it that this person was talking about their penis in particular or that they mentioned penises at all? For example if your child had gone up to a man and asked about genders, and the man said “they are women born with willies” vs him saying “I’m a man and I have a willy”

The sentence makes perfect sense without the words "with a willy" that embellishment is purely for shock and titillation.

Do you think this person with a beard no longer has a willy because they didn't specify did they?

The issue is mentioning penises at all.
Not sure who "they" are in "they are women born with willies"?

He could have said I like wearing dresses or I used to be a boy but now I am a lady (not my preference but hey ho)

RedRobyn2021 · 20/06/2024 12:48

I mean, that wouldn't bother me. It's the truth, what are they supposed to say?

Talking about things openly is the best way with kids IMO

Cattery · 20/06/2024 12:49

Ladyritacircumference · 20/06/2024 12:05

How rude of your daughter. Has she no manners?

It is like when a child asks a person with a disability why they use a wheelchair, or what is ‘wrong’ with them.

Other people are not there to provide teachable moments for your child.

I suspect the trans woman’s reply was their way of telling your child to fuck off.

Rude? You’re standing there as a man with a beard in a dress? I’d think any kid would want to know what was going on. People have lost the plot

Megifer · 20/06/2024 12:51

RedRobyn2021 · 20/06/2024 12:48

I mean, that wouldn't bother me. It's the truth, what are they supposed to say?

Talking about things openly is the best way with kids IMO

Maybe the adult male could have not mentioned his cock to a 6 year old child?

Not a strangers place to "talk openly" to a child about his penis either.

Roundroundthegarden · 20/06/2024 12:53

FOJN · 20/06/2024 11:21

HIS penis.

It's grossly inappropriate and creepy. There is no situation in which it's OK for strangers to mention their genitalia to children.

This. I would be very angry. And it's completely normal for a 6yo to question why a man is wearing a dress.

Vizella · 20/06/2024 12:53

It is 100% unacceptable OP but there's not much you can do, the police are very woke and might tell you off for being 'transphobic' even if what that 'person' said is inappropriate and bordering on pedophilia.

hermenmumster · 20/06/2024 12:53

RedRobyn2021 · 20/06/2024 12:48

I mean, that wouldn't bother me. It's the truth, what are they supposed to say?

Talking about things openly is the best way with kids IMO

Perhaps not talking about genitalia to a stranger's 6 year old?
I am allowed to have conversations about willies with my children.
But i am her mother . You would not think it was appropriate to have conversations about genitalia with a stranger child?

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willowtolive · 20/06/2024 12:53

My six year old daughter would have been no where near the bearded bloke in a dress tbh. If this is true it's absolutely wrong for him to be talking about genitalia and completely unnecessary. The poster saying the child was rude, I don't see why as it's a natural question for her to be thinking. Just like for example someone arrived in a panda outfit, unusual why are you wearing that? She's a child.

Cosycover · 20/06/2024 12:54

Did you say anything to him?

I would have made a scene to end all scenes. How fuckin dare he.

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hermenmumster · 20/06/2024 12:55

Vizella · 20/06/2024 12:53

It is 100% unacceptable OP but there's not much you can do, the police are very woke and might tell you off for being 'transphobic' even if what that 'person' said is inappropriate and bordering on pedophilia.

Yes , it isnt going to be a police matter for sure x

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hermenmumster · 20/06/2024 12:56

Cosycover · 20/06/2024 12:54

Did you say anything to him?

I would have made a scene to end all scenes. How fuckin dare he.

I wish I had heard. It was an early evening party. Only 30 people or so and it was only as I was putting her to bed .

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