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6 year child - stranger talking about her penis

434 replies

hermenmumster · 20/06/2024 09:58

Trigger warning : sensitive topic around Gender Identity

I was at a work event (private garden - bring family along deal) and someone there is a transgender woman- she was tall, bearded ,hirsuite and wearing a dress and heels.
My daughter (6) was roaming around with the other kids and i think must have asked the lady why she was wearing a dress.
She explained that she ´was born a man with a willy , and is now a lady ’

Something jarred in me about a grown person talking about gentalia to a 6 year old child.
What does the mumsnet think?
AIBU to be annoyed?

OP posts:
JuneShowers24 · 21/06/2024 18:57

ASighMadeOfStone · 20/06/2024 10:16

Two wrongs don't make a right.

The transwoman had no need to talk to a 6 year old about penises.

The 6 year old should be told it's rude to ask such personal questions.

(I'm GC)

Six year olds are allowed to be inquisitive. Live your life how you want but you must realise that in setting yourself apart you will attract attention, if you want kids to grow to be empathetic then answer their entirely reasonable question arising from their observations. Don’t shut them down.

hermenmumster · 21/06/2024 20:22

OP here, thank you for everyone's input. There are some clearly very brilliant minds on this thread. I hope that some of you are in positions of influence - you make such cogent points around the protection of women and children in this shifting landscape of gender debate

OP posts:
PonyPatter44 · 21/06/2024 21:46

I feel that we're in danger of conflating two separate issues here. One is the issue of men wearing women's clothes and calling themselves women, but the other is people who make inappropriate comments to children. These are separate issues, and it concerns me that some people are using one to disguise the other.

People who involve children in their sexual choices are dangerous. We shouldn't be making excuses for them, or letting them hide in plain sight at parties, or being afraid to challenge their inappropriate behaviour at parties.

Exactlab · 25/06/2024 21:06

hermenmumster · 20/06/2024 14:20

I have arrived at the decision through help from this thread that

  • That I will never let my daughter attend a family work event with this person
  • That most people think this character's language was wholly inappropriate
  • That I wasn't feeling unreasonable

Unfortunately I do not have the guts to go to HR who as I have mentioned this government organisation is very Stonewall leaning.
My daughter will not be helped if I get it wrong and somehow mess up my career. Also as this was OUTSIDE of work (ie a social, hosted bu a colleague but not paid for by work) they could just not get involved

I completely understand why you’re making this decision.

It is so awful that he gets away with it. That we are being conditioned that this sort of disgusting behaviour is ok - because it isn’t.

asco · 25/06/2024 21:29

PonyPatter44 · 21/06/2024 21:46

I feel that we're in danger of conflating two separate issues here. One is the issue of men wearing women's clothes and calling themselves women, but the other is people who make inappropriate comments to children. These are separate issues, and it concerns me that some people are using one to disguise the other.

People who involve children in their sexual choices are dangerous. We shouldn't be making excuses for them, or letting them hide in plain sight at parties, or being afraid to challenge their inappropriate behaviour at parties.

I agree with the above post, especially this part

"I feel that we're in danger of conflating two separate issues here. One is the issue of men wearing women's clothes and calling themselves women, but the other is people who make inappropriate comments to children. These are separate issues"

OP I would 100% bring this up with HR and leave out any reference to a Trans person, I would be informing them that I was very very unimpressed and quite concerned at an adult discussing their genitalia with my 6 yr old child - completely inappropriate and they need to be told that and that under no circumstances should it ever happen again.

AlwaysGinPlease · 25/06/2024 21:53

ASighMadeOfStone · 20/06/2024 10:16

Two wrongs don't make a right.

The transwoman had no need to talk to a 6 year old about penises.

The 6 year old should be told it's rude to ask such personal questions.

(I'm GC)

Oh come on . It's fucking weird to see a man , in this case a bearded man in a dress and so of course a six year old will ask. The man is a pervert . Grim.

Bigcat25 · 25/06/2024 23:39

Agree with ponypatter. Op doesn't have to report it if she doesn't want to take the risk, but the word trans doesn't even have to be mentioned. Trans people (or poser trans people) are not above the law and normal standards of appropriate behavior around kids.

zibzibara · 18/07/2024 03:10

This type of man will find any excuse to talk about his genitals. Best to keep your kids well away from him and any other men who claim to be women. Not just because of that, also the sexism in thinking women are just clothes worn, or merely a thought, or a male gaze fantasy. It's all so very wrong.

NPET · 03/11/2024 23:50

Totally unnecessary.
Personally at 6 I would have talked about willies (or pee-pees as we called them) but not with adults. So IF an adult had mentioned one it wouldn't have been a problem. But it would have been inappropriate.

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