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Moral dilemma

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Nurseamy87 · 20/06/2024 00:38

Hi, I have registered just to make this post, been told this is the place to come for some good honest advice so here I am…!

This is such a huge moral dilemma for me, I just do not know what to do :(

We have the loveliest (attached) next door neighbour. We moved in on the same day (new builds), and hit it off with her straightaway. She told us about how in her last house, she was miserablr due to some nightmare neighbours who were noisy, argued all the time, and smoked weed. Our estate is very quiet and sounds completely opposite to where she used to live.

Over the 3-ish years that we have been neighbours, I’d say that we have become friends, we have drinks at Christmas, been shopping together, BBQs.

Our house is currently on the market, we’ve been on the market for around three months now. We’re relocating to be closer to DH’s family.

We’ve been getting anxious about the lack of offers on the house. Since going on the market, I estimate we’ve had around 20 viewings… lost track on exact number. We did previously have one offer, but the chain fell through pretty fast.

However, at the weekend we had a viewing, and on Monday morning an offer. On paper, they are in a great position, first time buyers, mortgage offer, and the estate agent told us they have seen proof of the deposit. This would be great for us because we are not making an onward purchase straightaway (renting initially). So,
that all sounds great.

Here’s the issue. When these buyers turned up for the viewing, they pulled up outside the house with their music blasting from the car - they arrived a bit early for the viewing and they were sitting there for a good few minutes with music blaring before coming to knock on the door.. you literally could not make this up. And when they came into our home, I was horrified to realise at least one of them absolutely stank of weed.

In hindsight, I feel like I should’ve asked them to leave but I realise I’m probably quite uptight with my attitude towards such things compared to many people out there, so I let them look around the house. I’m surprised they were interested in this estate because - as I mentioned earlier- it is quiet and not a lot happens!

We were quite surprised to receive the offer. And as I mentioned, on paper, it sounds like they are in a great position to proceed.

I just don’t know if I can do it to our lovely next-door neighbour, though. She was clearly emotional when I told her that the place was going on the market and actually said, “oh I really hope somebody lovely buys the place”. I can just tell that these people who have made us the offer will be absolutely horrendous to live next to, and make her life miserable again.

But they are literally our only offer…! We don’t know what to do!!

I was talking to a colleague about this yesterday and her response was to tell me that we should do what suits us, that we will never see our neighbour again due to the fact we’re moving quite a distance away, and we should look after ourselves.
I feel morally that this is such a difficult decision, I will feel terrible about this afterwards. Also, as she is my friend, I’d fully hope she wants to keep in contact with me, as I know I would like to with her!

We’ve asked the estate agent if there is anything particular from the feedback of previous viewings that indicates we may need to improve anything in the house, to attract more buyers, but they’ve just told us that the market is very slow currently, and that our house is presented very well, neutrally decorated, no clutter, clean and tidy for viewings, so not much else we can do.

What would you all do?!

thank you for any advice, and I’m sorry this post is so long.

OP posts:
AliceOlive · 20/06/2024 15:25

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 20/06/2024 15:22

In the UK we're still allowed to dislike people just because they're unlikeable. Having a protected characteristic doesn't prevent someone being thoroughly unlikeable.

I have a couple of rental flats. The letting agents and I are perfectly entitled to, and will, "discriminate" against a prospective tenant who turns up blaring music loudly in their car and smelling of weed. If I'm selling them I'm perfectly entitled to choose to refuse to sell to such a person.

I’m all for that and won’t be selling my house to someone I don’t like when the time comes.

buildersteacup · 20/06/2024 15:48

If I'm selling them I'm perfectly entitled to choose to refuse to sell to such a person

Of course you are. You can choose to sell to whomever you damn well like.

However, you will likely have to wait much longer if you are being picky about buyers. That might be fine if no chain but if you're in a chain then you may well lose the house you want.

FlaubertSyndrome · 20/06/2024 15:51

The worst neighbours we've ever had were a couple of surgeons. It made me look back on the 'next door to a northeast London crack house' days quite fondly.

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 20/06/2024 17:25

buildersteacup · 20/06/2024 15:48

If I'm selling them I'm perfectly entitled to choose to refuse to sell to such a person

Of course you are. You can choose to sell to whomever you damn well like.

However, you will likely have to wait much longer if you are being picky about buyers. That might be fine if no chain but if you're in a chain then you may well lose the house you want.

I was actually replying to the US poster who said "you can't refuse a buyer because discrimination"

MinervaMcGonagallsCat · 20/06/2024 17:27

Don't be silly. You take the offer.

buildersteacup · 20/06/2024 17:30

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 20/06/2024 17:25

I was actually replying to the US poster who said "you can't refuse a buyer because discrimination"

Sure, but my point is still valid isnt it? the fussier you are with regards to buyers, the longer the sale is likely going to take so the point still applies. Fine to be fussy, but you'll have to accept the consequences is all which could mean losing out on a house you love

AliceOlive · 20/06/2024 17:30

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 20/06/2024 17:25

I was actually replying to the US poster who said "you can't refuse a buyer because discrimination"

I didn’t say that. I asked what the law was there.

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 20/06/2024 17:45

buildersteacup · 20/06/2024 17:30

Sure, but my point is still valid isnt it? the fussier you are with regards to buyers, the longer the sale is likely going to take so the point still applies. Fine to be fussy, but you'll have to accept the consequences is all which could mean losing out on a house you love

You're missing the point. The comment was in the response to the

"you can't do that!!!" post which is just wrong.

In relation to a sale I didn't say what I would do, so not sure what you're getting so worked up about.

In relation to granting a lease , it 'd be madness not to "discriminate" against a prospective tenant who turns up playing loud music and smelling of weed. There's more tenants than there are houses for let, so again not sure what you're getting worked up about.

waterrat · 20/06/2024 17:49

I think you have to look at the things you can control in life OP and this is not one of them.

It's lovely that you are so toughtful - but where would it end?

A baby that cries? A couple who argue all the time while their relationship breaks down?

We had 'on paper' terrible neighbours - a hostel of addicts- actually they were amazing neighbours - I have had partying neighbours that was awful you can get that anywhere from people of any age.

You have no control - you could sell it to people who resell within a year.

You need to let this one go. It's not a dilemma.

AliceOlive · 20/06/2024 17:53

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 20/06/2024 17:45

You're missing the point. The comment was in the response to the

"you can't do that!!!" post which is just wrong.

In relation to a sale I didn't say what I would do, so not sure what you're getting so worked up about.

In relation to granting a lease , it 'd be madness not to "discriminate" against a prospective tenant who turns up playing loud music and smelling of weed. There's more tenants than there are houses for let, so again not sure what you're getting worked up about.

OFFS. The laws are the same, I checked.

OP can’t just refuse to sell her house to someone unless she is comfortably able to prove she’s not discriminating against a protected class.

You might be happy to refuse to sell your house to someone because you don’t like them. But if they are a member of a protected class and decide to do so, they can make you quite miserable.

This is a real world situation. Stop giving out advice based on what you think you might do in the fairy land you live in.

AliceOlive · 20/06/2024 17:55

waterrat · 20/06/2024 17:49

I think you have to look at the things you can control in life OP and this is not one of them.

It's lovely that you are so toughtful - but where would it end?

A baby that cries? A couple who argue all the time while their relationship breaks down?

We had 'on paper' terrible neighbours - a hostel of addicts- actually they were amazing neighbours - I have had partying neighbours that was awful you can get that anywhere from people of any age.

You have no control - you could sell it to people who resell within a year.

You need to let this one go. It's not a dilemma.

I agree with this no matter how badly I’d feel about it. It’s just not practical.

But again, also a good reason to not be there to see who rocks up the look at the house.

LadyMuckRake · 20/06/2024 17:57

FlaubertSyndrome · 20/06/2024 15:51

The worst neighbours we've ever had were a couple of surgeons. It made me look back on the 'next door to a northeast London crack house' days quite fondly.

Wow, it's hard to imagine! I don't disbelieve you though.

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 20/06/2024 18:10

Music doesn't have to be that loud for it to sound like it's "blaring" out of a car, especially with the windows down but it doesn't seem that loud within the car.

It's also no indication of what a person is like or what music levels they'll have

I'd say most people I know who play music in their cars play it what seems quiet loud when they stop but they wouldn't play music at home the same or be terrible neighbours.

nokidshere · 20/06/2024 18:19

they pulled up outside the house with their music blasting from the car - they arrived a bit early for the viewing and they were sitting there for a good few minutes with music blaring before coming to knock on the door..

My 71yr old DH always has music 'blaring' in the car, I can hear him arriving home at the top of the street! We literally never play music in the house, he's more likely to be listening to The Archers!

buildersteacup · 20/06/2024 18:39

In relation to granting a lease , it 'd be madness not to "discriminate" against a prospective tenant who turns up playing loud music and smelling of weed. There's more tenants than there are houses for let, so again not sure what you're getting worked up about

Erm, not sure why you think I am "worked up" but if you struggle to interpret the emotions of others, no problem. I'm not referring to renting - I have rented out houses before. I am talking about selling of which the OP is talking about. The OP also talked about being anxious the house wasnt selling- hence my point about waiting being potentially problematic.

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 20/06/2024 18:42

buildersteacup · 20/06/2024 18:39

In relation to granting a lease , it 'd be madness not to "discriminate" against a prospective tenant who turns up playing loud music and smelling of weed. There's more tenants than there are houses for let, so again not sure what you're getting worked up about

Erm, not sure why you think I am "worked up" but if you struggle to interpret the emotions of others, no problem. I'm not referring to renting - I have rented out houses before. I am talking about selling of which the OP is talking about. The OP also talked about being anxious the house wasnt selling- hence my point about waiting being potentially problematic.

Again you missed the point. But carry on.

buildersteacup · 20/06/2024 18:44

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 20/06/2024 18:42

Again you missed the point. But carry on.

"If I'm selling them I'm perfectly entitled to choose to refuse to sell to such a person"- thats literally what you said lol so I dont think I did- you are referring to selling in this statement.

Firefly1987 · 20/06/2024 19:23

Funnythem · 20/06/2024 08:34

I have weed smokers either side of me . They smoke it it in their garden. Which is small and it's disgusting. It's worse in the summer. Have my doors open because it's hot then get the smell of weed in my living room and have to shut the doors. My bedroom. Window may be open a bit and i forget . I go to bed and my bedroom stinks of weed. It also gives me a headache. It's everywhere even on buses. Its even worse with heavy users . I realised the other day I see more weed smokers than people smoking normal cigarettes

God that's awful! I've never smelt it (lived a very sheltered life lol) so I have no idea how it smells other than it's strong stuff. Assume I'd work out what it was if I happened to come across it though. Glad I haven't so far because I HATE strong smells. Just feel really sorry for those subjected to it when they don't smoke it themselves.

Notreat · 20/06/2024 19:26

AliceOlive · 20/06/2024 00:47

Are you legally allowed to do anything regarding this offer? We wouldn’t be here in US. At least I don’t think you can just turn down a buyer.

Edited

In the UK it's up to the seller which if any offer they accept

Pippetypoppity · 21/06/2024 18:55

People who smoke weed can be perfectly lovely. They liked the quiet peaceful neighbourhood so I would think this is more their scene than loud music absolutely all the time. As long as they didn’t shriek at each other, wee in the rhododendrons and spit on the pavement I’m sure you’ve judged them a little too negatively. Stop worrying - very sweet and caring of you to be so concerned though I concede!

PorridgeEater · 21/06/2024 19:01

BowlingBore · 20/06/2024 01:30

If she is really a friend, I don’t think I could do it to her, especially if you are planning on keeping in touch. We had nightmare neighbours once and it was really awful. We ended up moving.

This

JanglingJack · 21/06/2024 19:04

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Bagpipes cracked me up!

Not that I'm smoking crack, or weed, and I don't own any bagpipes.

Just in case any potential sellers are viewing and they can wait maybe 20 years until an inheritance.
I may well be smoking crack by then. I'll be claiming to be 25. Looking like Zelda.

Cherrysoup · 21/06/2024 19:12

I just sold a house and chose him over a slightly higher offer because of various reasons. You can choose in this country, you don’t have to accept an offer if you don’t like the people. When I sell this house, I’m going to be picky as fuck because I really like my attached neighbour.

Miyagi99 · 21/06/2024 19:15

Take the offer, a bit of music in the car and weed does not make them bad people or terrible neighbours.

Jeannie88 · 21/06/2024 19:18

That is a dilemma 😕 The inconsiderate blasting of music shows they're not bothered about a good first impression and it's rude. Even if they smoke weed inside the smell gets everywhere. Think about how u would feel if it was your neighbour/friend in the same position. I think I would try to be kind and hold out. Xx

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