To not offer two types of beef burger at summer fair (halal and non halal)?

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In addition a veggie option?

I’ve took responsibility for sorting the burgers for BBQ at summer school PTA fair.
I was thinking, I can buy all burgers as halal only. A good portion of the school population are either non-religious or Muslim.

However, DH is saying we should also offer a non-halal burger option (he is religious - Sikh and avoids halal due to his beliefs). However I think he is a minority and could have veggie? There are Hindus but they wouldn’t eat beef anyway so it’s a tiny amount of people other than DH who I think would care if we go full halal for the burgers.

IMO one type of beef burger that is suitable for most would be easiest. AIBU?

Not sure if I’m stating the obvious here or there’s confusion but obviously a lot of food labelled halal doesn’t actually contain meat……
So why would anyone have a problem with Nutella just because it says Halal certified on it ?

That was the point of the post - it took away the hiding place that certain posters were simply concerned about animal welfare issues and exposed that they don’t actually want ‘other people’s’ religion ‘shoved in their faces’ by considerate and inclusive food labeling.

Is this England?

I think they're the poster who was basically saying they don't want to buy Halal products because then that will create a demand and encourage companies to make more Halal products, which is obviously not a good thing 🤔 Something along those lines anyway.

I can't wait for this thread to be full so I can stop being drawn into reading all this utter nonsense. I think OP should stick to whatever meat the school uses and then a veggie option. Seems the simplest and safest option.

This thread has really been absolutely bonkers.

Not where I am.

"Officially" the 2021 UK Census the ethnic groups were:
Asian or Asian British

• Indian
• Pakistani
• Bangladeshi
• Chinese
• Any other Asian background

Black, Black British, Caribbean or African Caribbean

• African
• Any other Black, Black British, or Caribbean background

Mixed or multiple ethnic groups

• White and Black Caribbean
• White and Black African
• White and Asian
• Any other Mixed or multiple ethnic background

White

• English, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish or British
• Irish
• Gypsy or Irish Traveller
• Roma
• Any other White background

Other ethnic group

• Arab
• Any other ethnic group

AGAIN - ethnicity not the same as nationality.

It’s useful to know the ethnic make up of a country’s population.

That doesn’t mean those with different ethic backgrounds are not English, or Scottish, or Welsh, or Irish.

I’m not religious but I don’t agree with how animals are killed in regards to Halal so you should offer non Halal meat. Halal meat and veggie option

The people who get up in arms about halal meat bring cruel whilst happily eating animals raised in cruel cramped conditions with crap lives (all but the expensive organic meat). It honestly never ceases to confound me

I know this is off topic but that is the type of argument a primary child would make.

Not all farmland is suitable to grow crops which is why hill farmers are usually sheep farmers. Now sheep provide wool so is it OK to eat them?

Wildlife needs to be managed / controlled if you are growing crops. What do you want to do with the rabbits you have to kill?

What about deer? They can munch through a crop in no time, they have to be culled both to protect crops and to keep their numbers viable. Too many deer and you end up with bare land that can't feed them.

What is it about stunning animals before slaughter that you don’t like?

This

Burger and veggie burger is all you need

Actually a primary school child would not read the original comment properly then jump about making assumptions.

If you bother to re-read, I said Anyone who eats an animal that has been bred and killed for the sole purpose of human consumption.
Your rabbit and deer examples don’t involve breeding animals for meat, they are referring to managing wildlife when growing crops. And farming sheep purely for wool and meat would be cruel. There is a huge difference between wool and meat as a by product vs forcing them to reproduce so we can have more

The argument of the poster you are replying to is that it would be wrong to misrepresent halal meat to those who would have a moral objection to eating it. That being the case, why do you think it would be acceptable to do it the other way around by misrepresenting non halal to those who only eat halal meat for religious reasons ? If you have an objection, fine, don’t eat it, but the whole point here is informed choice.

Whether or not halal meat is more cruel than non halal is beside the point. Why should others be offered limited choices in the name of someone else's religious practices?

It’s taken 40 pages, but here’s your answer OP. Halal, non Halal and a veggie option. Informed choice.

If you're going to cater for those who eat meat but are incredibly concerned about animal welfare...does that mean you actually need to add an organic, free range, higher welfare meat burger to the menu? Or is just any non halal meat will do?!

I didn't.

Of course there should be a halal for those who need it.
There should also be non-halal too though.

It's seems you like to assume a lot and/or don't like others to have choice.

Making a choice isn't 'having a hiding place'.

If there's a precedent at the school, the OP can follow that. If there isn't, then it makes sense to serve what will sell most to the demographic attending the event. If that's non-halal meat, then people who would only eat halal meat would need to have the veggie option. If that's halal meat, then people who would only eat non-halal meat would need to have the veggie option. Having three options would solve that problem but would require rigorous steps to avoid cross-contamination, and many people wouldn't have confidence that could be achieved reliably at a school BBQ event.

Anyone who is too offended by the idea of that relatively mild potential inconvenience to their food choices at a school event (a veggie burger? oh, the humanity) could always then choose to move their child to a less diverse school where it wouldn't be an issue. Living in a diverse society sometimes involves accommodating the needs of others.

Would you be happy to eat Nutella labelled as halal?

Would you be happy to stop asking question that I've already answered?
The Nutella point is irrelevant anyway, I refuse to buy the stuff after how rank the last 2 jars were!

Didn't see an answer from you about that. It's a big thread at this point.

Nutella is indeed pretty rank. We could all eat halal fruit instead.