To not offer two types of beef burger at summer fair (halal and non halal)?

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In addition a veggie option?

I’ve took responsibility for sorting the burgers for BBQ at summer school PTA fair.
I was thinking, I can buy all burgers as halal only. A good portion of the school population are either non-religious or Muslim.

However, DH is saying we should also offer a non-halal burger option (he is religious - Sikh and avoids halal due to his beliefs). However I think he is a minority and could have veggie? There are Hindus but they wouldn’t eat beef anyway so it’s a tiny amount of people other than DH who I think would care if we go full halal for the burgers.

IMO one type of beef burger that is suitable for most would be easiest. AIBU?

Do you ever really see Kosher meat advertised anywhere outside of heavily populated Jewish areas? Never see it in my backwater part of the UK. It's not everywhere like Halal is - most towns have Halal takeaways so the population is more familiar with it the term.

From what ive read; in halal slaughter rituals, the throat slitter must be Muslim.

So that excludes everyone else.

If all british meat became halal only Muslim men would be allowed to do it.

Also islamic prayers must be read, which isn't really acceptable to other religions and the non religious.

Well there are nearly 4 million Muslims in the UK compared to around 275,000 Jewish people, so I'd expect halal to be more widespread than kosher food

Surely they're British but not English...? Irish and Scottish people are not English either

I can see the issue, if it's correct, about slaughterhouse staff having to be Muslim.

But why on earth would you reject meat because of what was said at slaughter?

Would it be an issue if you were a City supporter and the slaughterhouse was staffed by United fans?

Don’t endorse the idea that Jewish people are barbarians please! If you knew about how kosher butchers work you’d understand the animals suffer no less than ones that are stunned. You are right though, halal butchers do stun the animals often

Exactly what I was thinking Bromptotoo. I am amazed at how many people claim to be such fussy eaters. I wonder if in real life most of them just chomp it down regardless. I can't be doing with such faff. I lthought Gordon Ramsay was right when he said if you don't like it, don't come to the restaurant - we are not making 10 different versions of it! I feel that trebly so if I am providing food at home!

Or because the OP isn’t suggesting offering Kosher meat so it’s not an issue on this thread

I refuse to eat Halal meat and always enquire whether an establishment serves Halal meat only, if it does then I won't eat from there. I'd be really annoyed if I was served a Halal burger, why does it have to be the non Halal meat eaters who can just eat a veggie burger instead?

Who are they?

Of course Scottish and Irish people are not English - but black and brown skinned people born in England have every right to call themselves and identify as English.

What else would they be?

English white people have a big mixture of different origins - French, Roman, Viking etc - there’s no qualification for being English in our skin and genes.

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Most halal meat in the uk (about 80%) is stunned.

Worth reading all of the article below from National Centre for biotechnology information NIH on Kosher slaughter
Ive just posted title and conclusion.

Do you understand what halal entails?

Do you understand yourself is the question lol. Alot of British halal is stunned. Please please don't spread misinformation there's alot more info then what you've put out.

I think it may depend on the demographic of your school. And if eg 90% are kosher or halal then the barbecue should reflect that - plus other options. accessible to all.

My experience of school barbecues is that they're fucking chaos and the idea of not cross-contaminating 8 different types of food on the grills whilst managing a huge queue is a pipe dream.

I think this is a puzzle for the PTA and a broad and representative group making a decision rather than you taking a punt

no stunning ... is NOT required by the Koran. The Koran asks for the animal to be alive at the time of the ceremonial throat slit. Stunning the animal renders it unconscious, but still very much alive

I know, @fungipie, but it's just one more example of cultural preferences being tacked on and called religion - and that's certainly not exclusive to Islam

65% are stunned.
35% are not stunned !

I know I saw... was this down to you and I lol? I hope not I don't think what we wrote was bad..🤣

Please provide reliable links for those stats.

People can ask about stunning too. Asking about and making purchasing choices based on issues like this is one way people can contribute to improving animal welfare. If there's a market for stunned vs non-stunned, then the proportion of stunned available will increase.

Agreed, the hypocrisy and bias are so blatant. Criticise traditions related to Judaism (wearing wigs, have separate fridges, clothing, long temple hair, etc, etc) is immediately called out as antisemitic.

Stunner

Not me, for one.No Indian restaurants or take aways ever.

This thread is bonkers🤪
all that’s needed are three choices, non halal, halal, and veggie.

I suppose it depends on the majority demographic in the market. If the majority of people being catered for will only eat non-halal, or halal, or kosher, or whatever, then it would make financial sense to serve what the majority will eat and people who won't or can't eat that would have the alternative option.

I would hope you wouldn't be served a halal meat product under the pretence of it being non-halal, to me that would be as unacceptable as the other way around. Respect for different views is important. I have family members who don't eat halal meat and I would never consider giving them halal meat when I know they wouldn't want it.