To not offer two types of beef burger at summer fair (halal and non halal)?

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In addition a veggie option?

I’ve took responsibility for sorting the burgers for BBQ at summer school PTA fair.
I was thinking, I can buy all burgers as halal only. A good portion of the school population are either non-religious or Muslim.

However, DH is saying we should also offer a non-halal burger option (he is religious - Sikh and avoids halal due to his beliefs). However I think he is a minority and could have veggie? There are Hindus but they wouldn’t eat beef anyway so it’s a tiny amount of people other than DH who I think would care if we go full halal for the burgers.

IMO one type of beef burger that is suitable for most would be easiest. AIBU?

Google also tells me that your views are firmly in the minority and reducing every year - thank (your choice of) god.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jun/30/being-english-not-about-colour-say-majority

@wordler exactly!

It isn't racist for a non Muslim to prefer meat that isn't slaughtered via Islam principles. They've got nothing to do with that faith, so even animal welfare issues aside, you'd just pick the standard UK method, assuming the taste of the end product was the same.

Well said @Wordler. It is really pathetic that a tiny minority try to "other" people with their where are you really from nonsense

It shouldn't be assumed that people will eat whatever they are given, and they should know so they can make an informed choice.

I am vegetarian myself but i would hate to be at a party which only served halal meat, there should be a choice for people.

My friends and I don't invite fussy eaters and are happy to eat whatever we are given - if you don't just eat what you're given you just wouldn't be invited to any of our homes for a party - religious observance excepted. We're not a catering service and perfectly happy not to mingle where it would inconvenience us. That is in personal life. Workplace catering is work's problem.

Decrement is a word according to Google. But my autocorrect didn't like it.

If the majority of attendees are Muslim and there is a non halal option available, your objective at a fundraising event is to...

...wait for it...

Fundraise!

It is not to show how English / inclusive etc etc you are.

Some of you would be really really shit on the Apprentice.

This is a money making exercise. So give the people coming what they will demand.

Having had a discussion about this recently in a discussion group I attend, all of the Black English/British born people there said they would say Black British. The lady born in Ghana would say she's Ghanaian. My Jamaican friend says he's Jamaican. But all the ones born here say they are British, or English.

Yeah I was assuming the conversation had moved on, it's been 35 pages after all.

To the OP I said regular, halal and veggie. 3 options should do.

That's interesting. My understand is that Sikhs are strictly forbidden from eating halal or kosher meat. Obviously not everyone sticks to the rules in any religion (or life in general!) but I'm curious when you say it's "unusual" for Sikhs to avoid ritualistically slaughtered meat.

Not relevant in the context though.

I think it’s a personal choice. I have seen Sikh men with turbans at my local halal Nando’s.

Irrelevant to what people believe and thankfully most people do not agree with you.

90% of people in the UK believe that being English is not affected by colour of skin.

Only English people can represent England in national sports like the current football tournament. You’ll notice the team is not all white. So clearly there are not white English people - officially.

100%

So then if that is the case would you cover for people who have other dietary requirements?
If you were my friend i would actually tell you where to stuff it imo.

I am surprised you can't (or won't) see the difference. Abattoirs are awful places and the rules are not always followed, but all no halal butchery involves stunning first, rendering the animal unconscious, before the killing blow or shot.

A siginificant proportion of traditional Halal butchery has no stunning first, and the animal has the throat slit when very much conscious. And many of us believe it does make a big difference. Someonw up thread say 70% of halal butchery involves stunning first. I am afraid I do not believe those figures- so I'd be very grateful of well sourced links to that effect.

What a shame that traditional Muslims insist on no stunning. This is NOT required by the Koran. The Koran asks for the animal to be alive at the time of the ceremonial throat slit. Stunning the animal renders it unconscious, but still very much alive. And this should be accepted by all Muslims in the modern world.

We have many family and friends who are Muslims, and we respect their choices. But I certainly believe that Halal meat should never be imposed on unsuspecting customers, by default. Be it in shops or restaurants, etc . People should have the choice. And that does NOT make them anti-Muslim.

Why are so many people vociferous about Halal but not Kosher? Makes NO sense.

None of my close friends are veggie or vegan for exactly the reason that it is too much hassle to provide umpteen different catering options or only go to particular restaurants. So you wouldn't get the chance to say anything to me as you just wouldn't be included in our personal circle.

Even at work, no-one wanted to miss out on a particular surf n turf restaurant one week and so the vegan absented themselves. Every person who went said - fair enough - it is a choice and they all wanted to try that restaurant on that occasion.

Well no, OP actually said 'A good portion of the school population are either non-religious or Muslim.' which is not quite the same as 'most of the market'. OPs own DH is objecting, regardless if this was my school I wouldn't go and I think taking into account the general population of the UK I think many more people would probably feel as I do 🤷‍♀️

Because they majority of Jewish people are white. Which is also why they don’t mind Jewish women having to dress a certain way, cover their hair etc.

All animal slaughter is barbaric. I eat meat but let's not pretend that non halal meat isn't slaughtered in a horrific way as well. Ever seen a video from inside a slaughterhouse? The animals are terrified whether they get stunned for the actual killing or not.